there's nothing to prove, everything's still the same

[12:08] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hmmm
[12:08] Emilly Orr: Cos...this ain't Gor, Chief. Redirect.
[12:09] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol.. i think that is because of most of these lists being for women
[12:09] Emilly Orr: Most are, true. But there are some male/unisex items. And I always tell people who really want more male-friendly options, make their own sales list. Male designers would likely leap at the chance.
[12:10] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nope right window. Just cause I'm going doesn't mean I can not protest the bias against males in the retail complex of SL, the direct bias against us
[12:10] Emilly Orr: It's not a direct bias, so much as it's the larger population.

[12:10] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: come on we all know unisex items are really just female items

[12:11] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: Or furniture
[12:11] Emilly Orr: No, and see it this way: if 80% of SL were Tinies, and only 20% were adult-sized people, how many stores would you see catering exclusively to Tinies?
[12:11] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: but you guys do love seeing your girls pretty, so in a way we are making stuff "for" men
[12:12] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I see your point. However, there is a counter point. Men make up a large segment of SL. Would they sell more if they offered more? Or are they not offering because men dont buy? Like the chicken and the egg issue
[12:12] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I buy lots of stuff for my bonds
[12:13] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: it's just a plot, so that one day you men will go around naked
[12:13] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[12:14] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx runs to invest in popcorn

[12:14] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Men buy there is nothing for men to buy well I should say Gorean men.... Now if I was running about in a Man bun, drinking starbucks, and a little doggie... I could find tons of stuff

[12:14] Emilly Orr: Well, that's not the worst idea, but to be fair, the sexiest look for women is still nice lingerie, and the sexiest look for most men is sharply tailored suits. That's kind of unfair, too.
[12:15] Emilly Orr: So, since every time this comes up I remark that I see a fair amount of mens' items on the main three shopping lists, should I just start compiling lists to send to you?
[12:16] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Have you asked the creator of Tigereyes - I think that is right - to join the lists?
[12:16] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: I am sorry to say statistically men buy fantasy things less than women do. Are they going to be extinct soon? Do they change clothes less frequently than women? I do not know. What I know is it takes me the same amount of time to make an outfit for women and an outfit for men. The latter sells 1/10 So I do make them, but much less frequently.
[12:17] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: And [Txxxx] has a point. If you have a favorite maker ask them to apply to 25L Tuesday :D
[12:17] Emilly Orr: And based on personal observation, men are far less willing to convert to mesh in the first place, buy mesh clothes, and pay out in general. They don't feel they need to.
[12:17] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nope cause I am speaking about Gorean men's things Like I said if I want to look like I just walked out a fu fu coffee shop, reading a book about the evils of testosterone, and a manbun I could be set

[12:18] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Tigereyes makes Gorean male clothes
[12:18] Emilly Orr: If you say so. I say there's vendors out there for Gorean, and adaptive medieval male gear. But you do you.
[12:18] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ummm no self respecting Goream male would shop there

[12:19] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol.. if you say so.. I happen to know better
[12:19] Emilly Orr: No self-respecting Gorean man....why not?
[12:19] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: regardless, if you have favorite designers, you can ask them to join 25L Tuesday
[12:19] Emilly Orr: I freely admit I've never been to Tigereyes, so what's the deal?
[12:20] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: there items are for skinny ass little men Not any that have a muscular feature

[12:20] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: they have great stuff
[12:21] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: But if your not a certain frame size it don't work

[12:21] Emilly Orr: If you have a particular mesh body that runs to the bodybuilder sort, yeah, clothing is going to be tricky. What you have to do is start scanning for people who make clothes for that specific body, and see what turns up.
[12:21] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I wish they made bigger styles

[12:23] Emilly Orr: Right, but again, figure out what best fits your body, and move in on makers that make for it. If they don't make Gorean outfits, ask 'em. Sometimes that works.
[12:23] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Txxxxxx] what is sad. There are many mens stores that have 25L plagues but there always empty.

[12:24] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Now if any want to know I know soem great Gorean mens clothing makers

[12:24] Emilly Orr: As in, they're advertising they're on the list, and they're not?
[12:24] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: But I shop to much I think I own them all

[12:25] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: meanign they belong to the group, but they don't put things up for sale

[12:26] Emilly Orr: That is an issue. Nothing compels designers to have something every week, though I'd also think that if designers have the same items out every week, or no items at all week after week, [Txxxxxx] would have a chat with them.
[12:28] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tell you the truth, most all do great jobs. I think I have just bought everything already so I get bored cause there isn't anything knew that strike my fancy