singing along, the arsonist choir

Hearing about this was fun--someone from SL decided to make a video about Bellefleurs for their Destinations YouTube channel. The problems I have with it, though--yes, trees have leaves. We get it. Also, they managed to miss the entire second floor of the mansion, as well as both gardens (outside of the one statue).

Still, it's an actual video, the music isn't bad, and Belles is seeing traffic because of it, so...up side?

So, this came up in a gifts and sales group, of all places...

[11:04] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Good Evening all you wicked free people :)
[11:04] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Good evening!
[11:04] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: good evening
[11:04] Hxxxxxx Txxxxxxx: good afternoon
[11:04] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: mortals
[11:04] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [F**] OFF

Meet today's thoroughly objectionable unseasoned chicken wing.

[11:04] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: good night
[11:04] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: O.o
[11:05] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: morons
[11:05] Rxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: good morning. Wicked? me?
[11:05] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow
[11:05] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: let me sleep

You could just close the chat window...

[11:05] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): What?
[11:05] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [a**holes]

Why are you yelling at us? Just hit the little X and get on with things.

[11:05] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: then get offline
[11:05] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: jfc

Or that.

[11:05] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Language, [Hxxxx].
[11:05] Jxxxx Kxxx: someone needs ejected *raises hand to offer*
[11:05] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx blink blonks.
[11:05] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): PG group.
[11:05] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You man just turn off your computers.
[11:06] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and all i said was hello......lol....what do i get for a goodbye i wonder

No doubt. Yelled at from go for no reason. What's next? (She says, knowing.)

[11:06] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hahaha
[11:06] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: probably pain in the butt
[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its my [f**kin] COMPUTER

Void stars, grow up. What are you, nine?

[11:06] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: in it's profile Why don't you just talk to me and get to know me Instead of looking at my profile. who in the hell wants to talk to a TROLL! :)

Also a good point.

[11:06] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Can you NOT, [Hxxxx]?
[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i will logout when the [f**] I WANT
[11:06] Oxxxx Sxxxxxxx: huh
[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oh WOW,,,,,A TROLLL
[11:06] bxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[11:06] Uxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I hit block... dont have to read him anymore
[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: THANK YOU
[11:06] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Is there a mod on?
[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: AT LEAST I AM FAMOUS

For...what, exactly?

[11:06] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: LOL
[11:06] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Just report and block
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: jeezz
[11:07] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I think [Hxxxx] had a bad day. LMAO
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [f**k] off [sxxxx]
[11:07] Jxxxxxx Txxxxxx: famous? yeah a legend in your own mind huh smh
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oh i had an awesome day
[11:07] Oxxxx Sxxxxxxx: choose the other window [Hxxxx]
[11:07] kxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: O.o what did i log into?

Man with an IQ of 49 thinking he's funny?

[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I had sex with 6 different women
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and now i want to sleep

Then go do that. And leave this group alone.

[11:07] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: LOL
[11:07] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ...Uh. PG group, dearie.
[11:07] Jxxxxxxx Txxxxxx: oh lordy
[11:07] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Not my problem.
[11:07] txxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: congrats?
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and you guys are [f**kin] silly
[11:07] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I am really tired in RL
[11:08] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: god where is my [D*CK]

Not only do I not know why you're asking, I'm baffled as to why you think any of us would care.

[11:08] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: IGNORE THE TROLL
[11:08] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: The groups have ratings?

All groups do.

[11:08] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: LOL
[11:08] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Again, this is my problem, why?
[11:08] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: MUTE
[11:08] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: They can, yes
[11:08] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): And yes. Groups have ratings.
[11:08] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I didn't knew.
[11:08] Axxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxx: Lets keep things family friendly please [Hxxxx]
[11:08] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I think he's underage-
[11:08] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I usually don't talk about nastly things so never get blocked for M or A things
[11:09] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol same. I prefer to keep that in the privacy of my home
[11:09] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: all i wanted to say was hello ,and did you all pick up your free items at ebento :)
[11:09] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :o I didnt
[11:09] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what free items?
[11:09] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: me too.
[11:09] kxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ah. ebento. ty
[11:09] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I haven't yet :o
[11:09] Jxxxxxx Txxxxxx: well hello there [Axxxxx], I hope you have a great day! :p
[11:10] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ebento has cakes out , that have free group gifts in :)
[14:01] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I was there but it was so laggy so I turn off my computer the end
[11:10] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Dxxxx] do you turn off other avatars ?

People were trying to drag the conversation back on track.

[11:10] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx:

[11:07] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I think [Hxxxx] had a bad day.

LMAO [Hxxxx] had a harsh day [Dxxxx]

Point, there.

[11:10] Hxxxxxxx Txxxxxxx: Hey, what day does the Fab Free HUNT start again?
[11:10] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Will it be around on Saturday? QUQ
[11:11] Exxxxxxxxxxx Pxxxxxx: hands him a magnifying glass if he cant find it
[11:11] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Cosmo has some free gifts as well :)
[11:11] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Mxxx], you are right hahahaha)
[11:11] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just [f**kin] BLOCK ME EMILY..........an SHUT THE [F**K] UP ALREADY.....!!
[11:11] Axxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxx: ok gang, lets try to get the topic off trolls please and back to freebies and dollarbies! woot!
[11:11] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just [f**kin] BLOCK ME EMILY..........an SHUT THE [F**K] UP ALREADY.....!!
[11:11] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just [f**kin] BLOCK ME EMILY..........an SHUT THE [F**K] UP ALREADY.....!!
[11:11] 1xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just [f**kin] BLOCK ME EMILY..........an SHUT THE [F**K] UP ALREADY.....!!

This went on for twenty-three more lines. I'll spare you the repetition.

[11:12] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) grins. I foresee a ban in someone's future.
[11:12] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Can anyone please ban her?

Him, I think, but I'm in favor.

[11:12] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Apparently I touched a nerve.
[11:12] Axxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxx: he/she is banned
[11:12] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Him?
[11:12] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: her?
[11:12] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no
[11:12] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: IT!
[11:12] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :p
[11:12] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you, [Axxxxxx] ♥
[11:12] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): We can now move on.
[11:12] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so as i was saying lol , cosmo and ebento free gifts :D lol
[11:12] Axxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxx: my absolute pleasure [Exxx]
[11:12] sxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: jeez. I looked away for a literal minute
[11:13] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: omgosh more gifts i cant keep up LOL
[11:13] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx is no not saying hello again lol
[11:13] Exxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: .o. Hi, [Axxxxx].
[11:13] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): And now [Axxxxx] has a complex. A tragedy.
[11:13] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Most mornings/afternoons/evenings, [Axxxxx], people are perfectly polite here.
[11:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: o i know , there always one ;)
[11:14] kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i reported him to a linden
[11:15] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: haha, bye bye one linden
[11:16] Axxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxx: no worries the troll has been banished from the [group] kingdom. hurrah!
[11:17] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hiphip
[11:17] qxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hoorah

And life went on, but damn, that was an insane bit of confrontation right off the bat.

at the bottom of a bottle, you're the poison in the wine

Conversation in the Library group tonight was...very odd:

[20:50] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hwllo peeps

"Hello". But do go on.

[20:50] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: whats good?
[20:50] Hxxxxx Hxxx: well, "Lincoln in the Bardo" was a good read
[20:51] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: joe biden sniiftt my hair... now I have a blue checkmark on twitter

What?

[20:52] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: also I eat [a**]

WHAT?

[20:53] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I pooped my pants yesterday
[20:53] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and did a little wee today
[20:54] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not kiddidng

"Kidding", and...WHY are you talking about this here??

[20:55] Mxxx Mxxxxxxx: what's your breathalyzer reading?

That is a very good question.

[20:55] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: my friend told me you hae not lived until you poop yoursdelf
[20:55] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: pretty high

"Yourself", and...I...guess that's as good an explanation as any?

[20:56] sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Closing window

There are times I wish I was wired to just do this and move on.

[20:56] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sucks to be you
[20:56] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: r ead a book you fool

That's rich coming from you.

[20:57] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: actally pretty cool name

"Actually".

[20:57] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I read books... and eat [a**]
[20:58] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wha ts good group chat?

Since you arrived? I'm no longer sure.

[20:59] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I feeel like a cat with no whiskers///4

What does that even mean?

[20:59] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: a cake with no wishes
[21:00] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sucks to be me

If you say so.

[21:00] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I never thought I'd be at the point of actually muting another Library member. I'm actually tempted now.
[21:00] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you can do it Em
[21:00] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I belive in you

"Believe". But not in yourself, as evidenced by later commentary.

[21:00] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) snickers
[21:01] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I mean, if that's a request....
[21:02] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well I dont mind... would rather not but...

Then why bring it up?

[21:02] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: aniyways

"Anyways".

[21:02] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: rather talk about some cool [sh*t]

Because you've brought so much to the chat so far.

[21:03] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Elevate the conversation. Bring it out of the sewer, we can probably talk.
[21:03] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: different people different contenets

"Contents" or "contexts", do you mean, here? Or "continents"? It's unclear.

[21:03] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sl is fun
[21:03] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I like to [sh*t] post

We've figured this out, yes.

[21:03] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it breaks the ice

Does it?

[21:03] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Yeah...see, this to me says "troll"
[21:04] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: did i tell you that i eat [a**]?
[21:05] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Did I tell you that, while not specifically a strike against you, your continual bringing up things concerning your [a**] is a strike?

Because it really is.

[21:05] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Joe Biden sniffed my hair and now i am verified on twitter
[21:05] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): You said that. Now you're recycling.

Who is this idiot, and why the hell is he in a group that basically circles around erotic poetry readings and flirting with each other??

[21:06] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: kinda ironic people in this chat that dont own books

Who said that?

[21:06] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Who says?
[21:06] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah soz
[21:06] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im being a [k*nt]

No, I never would have guessed. And I'm not even going to bother spelling that correctly. But you even got that wrong.

[21:07] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Emilly
[21:08] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I thought that was the funnyest thing

"Funniest".

[21:08] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Im [sh*t]...

Well, I suppose you are what you deeply believe you are, so...

[21:09] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Well, let's present it from this angle.
[21:09] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): It's your choice, always, on who you want to be.
[21:10] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Sure, environment and education play large parts, but ultimately, it is your choice.
[21:10] Bxxxxxxx Txxxxxxxx caresses his mute button before smashing it .... then caresses it even more
[21:11] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): You're in a place where intelligence is respected, as well as wit and humor, with a healthy dose of sensuality.
[21:11] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): But you're showing up like this.
[21:11] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): By choice. Why?
[21:12] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its a thing

It's a stupid thing.

[21:13] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: smart people do dumb [sh*t]

Apparently.

[21:13] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Right, but...I mean, do you *have* to be hated? Does it help you psychologically?
[21:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah i think I prefer to be hated
[21:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: somehow validates my existance

"Existence". I don't get people...

[21:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i am just a man
[21:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: compilcated
[21:15] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sorrys

"Complicated", and "sorry". And I suspect you're really not. Either complicated or sorry.

[21:15] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I like books
[21:15] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I like reading...
[21:22] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Complication is not the issue.
[21:29] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well it kinda is

Save...no. You blundered in, irritated the bulk of the people in chat, tempted several of us to mute you from go, so...what was your point? "I'm complex"? Who isn't? And you're not coming off as too complicated for the room, you're coming off as...disturbingly, blandly, predictably simple.

And then...he IMed me.

[21:18] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sometimes I think I might be Jeaus

"Jesus". And now you've moved from simple irration into mass delusion.

[21:18] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sorry for trolling you

And then he sent me a friend request. WHY...

[21:19] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Well, a, you're not, unless you're actually a zombifed eternal Israelite, and b, thanks, but...why friend?
[21:19] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I like your name kinda like William

???

[21:19] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I see.
[21:19] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: trolling

Yes.

[21:20] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: star treck was cool.... until netflix [f*ck] it

"Trek", and once more, I'm not bothering to correct your tense on the second one.

[21:21] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: thats wat you mean hey?

"What". And no...?

[21:21] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): blinks.
[21:21] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Star Trek...has nothing to do with Netflix?
[21:21] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: kk

I mean, it really doesn't. What are you trying to say here?

[21:22] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [you can be my friend... I am pretty cool in rl]
[21:22] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that is a joke
[21:22] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im [sh*t]

I'm getting so tired of this.

[21:22] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): See, you keep saying that.
[21:22] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: self depercating humour

"Deprecating".

[21:22] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): You're only worthless if you decide you're worthless. And you seem to be really working hard to convince people you're worthless.
[21:24] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sounds like you should be on twttier

"Twitter".

[21:24] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I am. And Tumblr. Minor YouTube account. I blog.
[21:24] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): What's your point?
[21:24] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: if you cant laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at

First, you're taking the wrong message from that phrase, and second, you have to be funny in the first place.

[21:25] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Laughing at yourself is not saying, continually, that you're [sh*t.]
[21:25] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: okay
[21:25] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah I understand that

Do you? Do you really?

[21:25] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I will stop doing it
[21:26] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its hard
[21:26] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: in real
[21:26] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I am old
[21:26] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: trying to stay relivent

"Relevant". And age has no meaning if the drive to continue to improve exists. It sounds like you've given up, by choice. I don't get that.

[21:26] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Emily... I swear I was cool
[21:27] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: did you check out my profile?

Yes. It's slightly mystifying. You sound like you have a working brain in it. And clearly, by this chat, if yours is still working, at least one of the hamsters has been on break for a while...

[21:28] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I wont check yours unless you friend me

This is the single weirdest threat I've ever heard.

[21:29] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I don't care if you do or not. It's there, people want to read, they can, they can avoid it.
[21:30] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what?
[21:31] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I dont know what you mean...

Of course you don't.

[21:31] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): And I did, and it's....dissonant. Doesn't match your eternal "but I'm a total waste of space who thinks 4chan is the height of comedy" persona in public.
[21:31] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you lost me Em
[21:32] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 4chan is dope
[21:32] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: idk

I rest my case.

[21:32] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): See? There you go.
[21:32] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tell me
[21:32] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: trying to reach out
[21:32] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: seriously

No, I had no idea why I was bothering at this point, either.

[21:33] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Well, let's say we're all in an art gallery.
[21:33] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I dont understand
[21:33] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: okay
[21:33] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Some people are showing still lifes. Some are showing sculptures. Someone's pulling Jackson Pollack paint streaks. There's a few doing outsider art from found objects.
[21:33] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): And you're in the corner smearing fecal matter on the walls.
[21:34] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Like...tons of different materials you could choose to create in, yeah?
[21:34] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I pooped my pant yeasterday

"Yesterday", and...you know what? Not fighting this battle anymore. You're not interested in listening.

[21:34] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lets you know you are still human
[21:35] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its only funny cause its true
[21:36] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: like' learn to code?
[21:36] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) sighs and gives up.
[21:36] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what are you talking about Emily
[21:36] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Live your best life, dear, I can't help.

And that's when I muted him.

This was so tiring.

and the body politic is getting sicker by the minute

Logged in to a disturbing message in one of my groups. I'm not using any identifying information beyond the words, because I want to talk with the notice's sender before I do anything more...permanent.

Thralls... there seems to be an issue of jealousy occuring.

"Occurring", and okay, I agree. Issues of jealousy on an adult roleplay sim are not good and need to be addressed.

In case you've forgotten, you are property. Either property of the village or you belong to some person. You own nothing; You have no opinion; Your will is not your own; You are chattel, no better than a cow or a dog or simply a piece of meat.

Hollllld up. This is the part I have a serious problem with.

There were three acknowledged classes in nearly all Viking cultures: the nobility, the freemen (and occasional free women) and thralls, who were essentially slaves. In old Norse and Icelandic, the term was þræll which was related to an older word meaning "run" or "runner", but with overtones of "worker". Anglo-Saxon cultures, which were partially related to Norse/Viking ones, used þeow instead, which meant 'hireling" or "labourer".

Now, slaves were owned, yes. Sold at auction, sold in open markets or captured from countries sailing men reached while going Viking. But this didn't mean they lacked agency.

Not much survives from the Viking era, but enough has to get an idea of a thrall's worth. Accounts of ancient Germanic law, from the 5th to 6th century, at least, mention it was possible for thralls to raise their status. If they were particularly skilled, they were paid for their work. Once they accumulated enough, they could essentially buy their freedom and become leysingr, or free men (free women were more rare to advance from thralls, but again, it did happen--sometimes through their own skills at weaving, baking or dyeing, sometimes through marriage to a male with higher status).

Up until Christianization of the regions, the ancient Germanic legal system was based on payments for injury or death, instead of killing the person or persons who'd committed the crime. if damage was done, damage had to be repaid, depending on the type and level of damage. For instance, the basic price for injury to a freeman was 200 weregeld, half that for thralls. Though it could be raised to 200 for thralls, or even 300, if such injury resulted in death or permanent disability. Usually the weregeld was paid to the thrall's owner, but on occasion, it was paid to the thrall.

Your Master/Mistress is not responsible to you for His/Her actions, decisions or thoughts. If you create petty disputes, they will not be tolerated. You have zero, rights, opinions or personal will.

That would be "zero rights", no comma, and that is also manifestly untrue historically. As far as Second Life goes, it sounds extraordinarily dictatorial. And, might I say, closer to Gorean practice than historical Viking re-creation. In addition, there is no single form of D/s, BDSM, or ownership, either in Second Life, or beyond the grid.

Put another way, any owned slave, pet, or submissive in real life has the right of refusal. Consent is basic, necessary, at all times. Any dominant who refuses that basic right with their submissives, unless they have negotiated that to begin with, will get a very bad reputation in the BDSM community, up to and including jail time. (Yes. This has happened.)

In Second Life, to be fair, the rules are kind of all over, but as I did not come to this sim by way of Gor, and have never been a Gorean, I came in with the right of refusal fully guaranteed by the couple who invited me. And the man who's collared me has given me that same right--to refuse, with consent always necessary. This doesn't mean I never get in trouble. This doesn't mean I'm never disciplined. This does mean I retain agency in that relationship, so I retain it on this sim.

You belong to your owner. You will be punished or, if it continues or escalates.. you will be ejected from the village. No exceptions.

My status, as such, is part of why this offends me, I admit. When I originally came to this particular roleplay sim, I came in as a thrall. It's a common thing to do, and since half of the couple I intended to live with there had already established a place, and a seat on the ruling council, it made sense to be the live-in thrall to them. It provided a handy shortcut as to why I would be there. While on the rest of the grid, I am a shapeshifting lesser fae, within the village I'm playing human, from either Eire or Frisia (I hadn't fully decided). I was acquired by the couple, and I traveled with them to early Norway. Simple, effective, it made sense.

Now, granted, over the last few months, I became part of the priesthood, so to speak--my role is not as formal, I am closer kin to shaman or hearth witch, really, but I have done ceremonies for the village. This puts me at ċeorl status, basically a free woman ranked below a jarl but above a þræll.

Later still, I joined the ruling council for the village, which, because of the structure of the village, at the very least keeps me at the level of ċeorl, but might raise me to, at best, lower nobility.

Which is all well and good, and for a variety of reasons, my autonomy and agency are preserved, but this is still dehumanizing. I am manifestly uncomfortable with dehumanization.

Finally, none of the rules or regulations of this sim are negotiable. If you think it's unfair, you are cordially invited to go somewhere else to play in Second Life.

I'm trimming off the name of the person who sent this, because I do need to talk to them before I decide what I'm going to do. I do not, as such, think it is unfair; this person owns the sim, so their sim, their rules.

But there's already a list of sims I don't go to--the capture/prey sims come to mind, the snuff sims, the asylum/rape sims, the ones where I'm required to go naked and submit to any man who wants me--because I don't agree with their policies. I don't think they're unfair, either, but I don't play there because I wouldn't do what they want, flat out.

And sure, my status, simply because of my current roles on the sim, may in fact have taken me beyond þræll status. It's perfectly possible. But I started as a þræll. And AS a þræll, I am NOT a dog. I am NOT chattel. I am manifestly NOT a piece of meat, and I refuse to be treated as such.

And yes, I am offended by this. I am disturbed by this. And I think I'm a bit angered by this. This was...not the wisest move to send to the entire group, when it could have specifically been addressed to the thralls in question who were causing the issues.

But I am holding my action until I talk to two people: the man who owns my collar, and the one who owns the sim. Their answers will determine whether I remain in the village, or sail off for other shores. No one tells me I have no worth. I know my worth. I keep my worth.

And if this person thinks that by sending out a notice, it will be enough to cause my spine to bend and bring me, abased and apologetic, to their boots, they don't know me that well at all. I am not the jealous type, and I know I'm not one of the thralls specifically meant in this instance, but this will not fly with me, and it likely will not fly with others. So discussion must be had, and it may not go well.

(There is a follow-up.)

you turned the tap dance into your crusade

This was from a skin store group, but in all honesty, it could have happened in any group. There are oversensitive people everywhere.

[01:06] Zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Just saw the skeleton on the cross , and I am very saddened to see this in a store. I consider myself to be a religious lady and that just really shocked me. Never should anything portray Jesus in such a way. Not even for halloween. Standing up for my beliefs and leaving the store.
[01:06] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: bye.
[01:07] xxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: especially when Halloween is Christian holiday

Really? To whom? Since when? Sure, it was broadly co-opted by the early church, but it was based on older Celtic traditions that were far from Christian.

[01:07] Axxxxx Txxxxx: amen sister
[01:07] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: It's just a game lady. And Jesus wasn't the only one to have died on a cross.

No, it was quite popular in that area at the time, and in other areas since.

[01:07] Dxxxxxx Gxxxxx: I still wonder where Jesus managed to find guys named Peter Paul John etc in the middle east
They weren't. As far as I'm aware, Peter was actually Shim'on, and from there he was named Kephas, meaning 'rock', which is where, I think, we got Peter from. Paul was Sha'ul ha-Tarsi, who then took the name Paulos. And John? He was Yochanan.

Gotta watch your translations, folks.

[01:07] axxxxxxxxxxxxx Yxxx: Groww up you idiot
[01:07] Axxxxxxxx Cxxxxxx: a cross is not unique to Christianity
[01:07] Dxxxxxx Gxxxxx: like just geographically speaking Jesus was a [ni**er]

What?

[01:07] Dxxxxxx Gxxxxx: but a skelleton. thats the line you draw.

Skeleton on a cross, to be fair. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was even this one.

[01:07] Dxxxxxx Gxxxxx: ok
[01:07] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wth
[01:07] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: [Dxxxxxx], that word is unnecessary

Very. Also, I'll fully accept that Jesus, Yeshua ben Miriam, was potentially olive-skinned, because he came from a Judaic family living in the area at the time, but--black? Not sure he was black.

[01:07] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ikr wow
[01:08] dxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: alrighty then...
[01:08] axxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the cross was a torture too wildly used to murder people - it became a symbol of Christianity - but it is a historical torture too - does that help?

Not really. I think Ms. Z is fixated on the whole sacrilege angle, not the whole, historical form of torture and execution concept.

[01:08] Ixxxx Zxxx: can we stop this kind of talk in here?

And we all should have listened, because that's the group owner speaking. My excuse is that I missed it, going through haunts at the time.

[01:08] lxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Calm down ladies.
[01:08] Ixxxx Zxxx: its a halloween item
[01:08] Txxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: You can all chill your language in here or find another group
[01:08] fxxxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: wow really
[01:08] ixxxxx Rxxxxxxx goes and gets some popcorn and watches the train wreck
[01:08] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: this is supposed to be a place to discuess [Ixx]'s skins, not to talk religion and whatnot... come on now
[01:08] Ixxxx Zxxx: the cross is by no mean to offend anybody or anything
[01:08] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: [Ixxxx], it's purchasable for decor?

Pretty sure, yeah. See the link above.

[01:08] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx joins [Ixxxx], and offers some butter for his popcorn
[01:08] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I want to see it now.
[01:08] Ixxxx Zxxx: its decor
[01:09] fxxxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: they really just said [ni**er] in here

Yep. Yep they did.

[01:09] fxxxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: [f*cktard]

Was that really necessary in response?

[01:09] Ixxxx Zxxx: im really shocked people can be this non open minded really
[01:09] Emilly Orr: Though Hallowe'en is only marginally a Christian holiday...
[01:09] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im shocked as well
[01:09] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: omg its a holiday people get over it.. sheesh
[01:09] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: It's just the conventional Christian [Ixxxx], don't let them get to you.
[01:09] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: who cares what holiday is when.. it doesn't freaking matter. It's just a decoration.

Yeah, but remember, some folks are oversensitive. Some folks are even oversensitive about their oversensitivity.

[01:10] fxxxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i dont care about the cross or decorations
[01:10] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: who had the popcorn?
[01:10] FιrѕтBreαтн (firstbreath.cyberstar): in orthodox christians isnt holiday

No, that's true. But orthodoxy in any faith goes by much more restrictive rules. Growing up, my aunt was in a church that disallowed celebrating both Christmas and birthdays, because the birthday of Jesus was not exactly known.

[01:10] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: me and [Ixxxx]
[01:10] fxxxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: but that person just used a racial slur
[01:10] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: popcorn here
[01:10] Emilly Orr: She's allowed to be shocked, there are some intensely religious sorts here, I'm okay with that. I'm not okay with the offensive language.
[01:10] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: I fully support [the skin store from where this comes].
[01:10] Xxxxxx Cxxxxxxx: Always have and always will.
[01:10] Ixxxx Zxxx: STOP THE DISCUSSION OR ILL CLOSE THE CHAT ABILITY!


And that's when I noticed, at least.

[01:10] axxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it is kind of wierd when people use crosses as a sex toys - but a decoration I cal live with - nbd IMO ^^
[01:10] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: closes the chat box
[01:11] Emilly Orr: Ah, my apologies, I hadn't caught that you'd declared it verboten.
[01:11] Ixxxx Zxxx: lets all respect each others believes and feelings
[01:11] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: *sits next to [Mxxxxx] n [Ixxxx]* may I join?
[01:11] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: of course
[01:11] lxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes, [Ixxxx]. Agreed.
[01:11] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx passes her/him some popcorn
[01:12] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx takes some. thanks
[01:12] Lxxxxx Dxxxxxxx: all I got to say is...Trick or Treat!!!!
[01:12] Ixxxx Zxxx: cross ig gone.. ty for the respect now lets hear no more of it

Awww. I mean, sure, she's a business owner, and for every vocalized complaint, on average eight folks won't complain, they just won't come back, but still...Awww.

[01:12] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: awww, I wanted that as a decoration
[01:12] Emilly Orr: Whatcha gonna put in its place?
[01:12] axxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: aww sweet of you [Ixxxx] - I'm impressed
[01:13] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i'm sure [Ixxxx] could still offer it as a decoration, if it were for sale in the first place
[01:13] Bxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: There you go [Ixxxx] :)
[01:13] Emilly Orr: I like the autumn overgrowth in the fountain now.
[01:14] Ixxxx Zxxx: you should respect that others don't share your believe as well yes... i took the cross out altho it IS my store, my sim and my chat group but i don't want people offended over something that is a halloween item :)
[01:14] Ixxxx Zxxx: to bad it had to come to this

I know, right?

[01:14] Emilly Orr: Though, ooh, have you thought of making Hallows makeup?
[01:15] Axxxxxxxx Cxxxxxx: I represent the pumpkin persecution society
[01:15] Ixxxx Zxxx: atm im quite sick of halloween so not really no

Awww, that's sad. But that's okay, I'm planning on hassling some other designers I know.

[01:16] Bxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Well, go all out for Chinese New Year when it comes round :)
[01:16] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: people need to stop getting so blasted offended over every little thing...its a decoration..who cares lol...theres worse things out there

On SL, even.

[01:17] axxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I got some bats in my belfry does that count for Halloween?
[01:17] Zxxxxxx Kxxxxx: halloween is not a christian holiday, it's pagan
[01:17] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and really....subduing ones creativity cause it offends another...pfft..I call BS on that
[01:18] Ixxxx Zxxx: i was accused several times these few days of offending and making fun of people's faith... well i can safely say i am one of THE least judgemental people in the world problee... and it really hurts me that people accuse me of such a nasty thing... my parents where hippies ffs.. and my stepdad is muslim... i was raised wth people from all colors and genders around me fo FFS
[01:18] lxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hugs [Ixxxx].
[01:18] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: then [Ixxxx]...forget those who get butthurt over your creativity
[01:18] Txxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: hugs [Ixx]
[01:19] Ixxxx Zxxx: oh yeah AND im from Amsterdam

Sounds like an amazingly adaptive family. Pity all folks weren't raised to be accepting of other cultures and faiths.

[01:19] Emilly Orr: And forget the suggestion. Get a head start on wintery things!
[01:19] Ixxxx Zxxx: go figure
[01:19] pxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: enjoy what you do...and do it well...if someone doesnt like it...then they dont have to buy it and can leave
[01:19] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I agree with [Txxxxxx], [Ixxxx]. It's your store, not theirs.
[01:19] Bxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Agreed, [Txxxxxx]

Agreed as well.

before I found you, there was no one to destroy

Picking up from part the first:

[17:04] kxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im part german myself too! xD
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT WOODEN HAIR
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: CHECK OUT
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2]
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: JUST TYPING TO HELP NEW PEOPLE :)

How is this helping? Who is this helping??

[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: 50L HAIR
[17:04] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I have her booted, banned, and blocked. :)

Basically, by here, any store, group or sim Ms. [G] had access to? Had banned Ms. [Wxxxxx].

[17:04] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: just mute her everyone
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #3]
[17:04] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Just a sad internet troll. Nothing to get excited about... -.-
[17:04] cxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[17:04] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm German/Irish :D
[17:04] Woozie Gumshoe: IS LOVELY
[17:04] gxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what the hell is wooden hair?

Unless it's actually textured to be wood? I really have no idea. Hair that doesn't move at all?? You know, like most mesh hair???

[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT WOODEN HAIR
[17:04] kxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Deutschland über alles! xD
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: I DONT
[17:04] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: uh yeah im gonna snooze this group til she is gone

I think that a lot, actually.

[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT HAIR
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: THE HAIR IS LIKE WOOD
[17:04] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: yea mutey click click
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT GOOD
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NO WOODEN HAIR
[17:05] Exxx Exxxxxxxxx: I blocked her...woah that was odd.
[17:05] Kxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: u okay [Wxxx]?

Just as an outside observer, I'd say no, Ms. [Wxxxxx] is very, very far from okay.

[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #3]
[17:05] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: can't mute in a text viewer.. damn

That's a problem I hadn't even thought of. Eep.

[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: CHECK OUT [competing hair brand #2]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2]
[17:05] cxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i reported

Six minutes into all of this--at least from this segment of chat capture--at least one person had reported Ms. [Wxxxxx] to the Lindens for harassment. That ups the game.

[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LIKE WOODEN HAIR
[17:05] Lxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Closing and reopening the window as well as blocking.
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: PRETYT HAIR

"Pretty".

[17:05] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: have a good one ladies and gents(if there are any in attendance)
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AT [competing hair brand #4]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #4]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #4]
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #4, only misspelled this time]
[17:05] gxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you too
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: TRUTH AHIR 50L

"Hair".

[17:05] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Just mute her. I can't close the group unfortunately. All I can do is eject and ban, which is done... she just needs to log off now. or close the chat box.
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: PRETTY
[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: HAIR
[17:05] Exxx Exxxxxxxxx: I didn't know there was such a thing as Wooden hair...

I didn't either. Though now I'm wondering if I still have some hair sections to texture in a wood pattern...

[17:05] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: VERY PRETTY HAIR
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SALE SALE SALE
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AT [competing hair brand #4]
[17:06] sxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: turn off ims?
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: !L
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #3]
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOVLEY SOFT HAIR

"Lovely".

[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT WOODEN
[17:06] Vxxxxx Mxxxxx: i just blocked her. all better now :-)
[17:06] Vxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i blocked her...she got boring. lol
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: BYE BYE SUCKERS
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:06] Hxxxxx Kxxxxxxx: STOP
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: I WIN AGAIN!
[17:06] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #4]

Again, how is this winning? What is she trying to win?

[17:06] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: I kind of want wooden hair now. HMM.
[17:06] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I got the [name of hair] and the [name of other hair] from the lucky boards today. So pretty. I love all the different color choices. Very lovely.
[17:06] pxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I want wood LOL
[17:06] rxxxx Rxxxxxxx: thank god for the mute button pfff
[17:07] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hehe
[17:07] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hey now I want a wooden hair! lol
[17:07] Axxxxx Fxxxxxxxx: I can't wait for the Saturday sale... LOVE that shirt
[17:07] zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Please ignore this person she is about to be banned from [store]

Already happened.

[17:07] kxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx:

vielleicht, wenn wir auf Deutsch geben Sie gehen weg! XD
[17:07] rxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and get splinters in your scalp lol To be fair, that doesn't sound good.

[17:07] Txxxxx Dxxxxxxxx: gee wooden hair does sound comfortable
[17:07] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: It might be kind of cool to have wood-grain textured hair tho
[17:07] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: already done [Zxx]
[17:07] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well from chat anyway
[17:08] zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ty
[17:08] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: if she really thought the hair here was wooden she would not be so pissed about being banned.
[17:08] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: she just needs to KINDLY close her chat window

"Would you kindly...?"

But that's a good point. Why rage like this over being banned, if you don't really, really want to remain in the group? For that matter, what happened earlier in the day that got her kicked out of the store in the first place?

[17:08] Lxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: It sounds like a good theme hair for we love rp for photos or some sort of lifestyle thing in SL.
[17:08] Axxxxxxxx Axxx: Iam just shocked this is odd i know that person was always moderator at [a skin store] and never before had such strange behavor

And it's still getting weird. Couple days after this happened, I saw her pop up in another group I'm in, and she seemed chipper and friendly. Few days after that--yeah, I'm posting this late--she popped up in the Twisted hunt group, where she's a member, so...what gives? Was she just off her meds this day? Or what?

[17:08] kxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: dutch theme maybe?
[17:08] Lxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I just muted and reopened my chat.
[17:09] Lxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Wow, moderator for skin, so sad to go crazy in SL.
[17:09] pxx Dxxxxxxxxx: Wood grain could be quite interesting for tree spirit as well... quite fitting really.
[17:09] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx: maybe the account got hacked?
[17:10] Axxxxx Oxxxxx: has to be that account is 10 years old who acts like that when they have been on sl that long

My point. Save for (based on the conversation below), her account wasn't hacked. So...what happened?

[17:10] cxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what the
[17:10] Axxxxxxxx Axxx: I am in [the skin store group] this person is still moderator aometing must be going on i assume very very odd

Which brings us back to, in other groups Ms. [Wxxxxx] is a responsible person...supposedly. She's a moderator in at least one other group. So we assume this also means rational, level-headed, able to calm tensions down, able to resolve issues.

But nothing was resolved here. In point of fact, whatever happened earlier in the day led to her becoming extremely abusive, flagrantly violating rules, but more than that, doing everything possible to ensure that she not only would be kicked out of the store group, but banned from the store. (And, as we found out earlier, banned from every single land group, sim, and property that the mod in chat at this time had access to.)

So...why? Why go to such lengths? What was she trying to accomplish?

[17:11] kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes seen her post a lot in other groups and she was always pleasant, very strange for [Wxxxxx]
[17:11] cxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: maybe she's on crack
[17:11] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: thing is I like all the places she listed and I bet they would hate for her to be promoting their store here.

Which is another reason I'm not listing the store names mentioned. I'm in the store group for another store that was so aggressively name-dropped, so I know they make good hair, but so does the store that's attached to this store group. It's just baffling.

[17:11] Bxxxxx Lxxx: I think [this hair group] needs to have a group fee now. That is all.
[17:11] zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm thinking she had a mental break down... sad really.. she was annoying before but ...

Annoying before?

How annoying?

[17:11] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes but she said she was banned on accident or something..so being pissed about being banned brought out the real her

Okay, that's interesting. How does one get banned "on accident"? Maybe it's just me, but I've never been banned from any store or sim without cause. Sometimes those causes are due to misunderstandings--one in particular I remember happened because a store owner, friends with a friend of mine, heard the fallout of an argument her friend and I had, and decided she was protecting her friend by banning me. (That ban, by the way, was reversed.)

But every other ban I've incurred has been because of...well, this blog. I'm mouthy, I acknowledge that. I am not always tactful. I have blunt and occasionally unfavorable opinions. These traits tend to irk people.

Banning is personal. Blocking is momentary, muting can be, but a store or land ban? That takes thought. So...what happened? What made her so completely fall off the edge of her emotional cliff like this?

[17:11] Axxxxxxxx Axxx: oh dear
[17:12] Txxxxx Dxxxxxxxx: By all accounts if this is completely out of character for this person she probably has been hacked...so sad
[17:12] cxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow
[17:12] zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no she was ejected for pretty much the same thing earlier today she is now banned

Which sounds to me like, this basically repeated the earlier incident. Instead of standing in the hair store, screaming epithets, she chose to do it in the store group.

Still no idea why, though.

[17:13] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Definitely NOT out of character for her... sadly

So Ms. [Wxxxxx] has always been this rude and aggressive? What a tragedy. How did she become a mod in any group, then?

[17:13] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: people who hack accounts usually steal all the money they can and abandon the account or use it as a bot.
[17:14] Txxxxx Dxxxxxxxx: hmmm well that is maybe even sadder :( Hope the girl gets help

I do, too. This sort of behavior goes beyond mere rudeness into the surreal, and may indicate a need for at least a lie-down with a cold compress, or actual medication.

All I know is, I'm certainly not going to ask her about it. I don't need that level of grief.

your rhinestone eyes are like factories far away

There is a glitch currently in most third-party viewers, and possibly in the main line of viewers as well: the inability to leave a group if it contains more than five thousand members. (Concurrent to this, I've learned, there's a glitch for group owners and moderators where, if there's more than five thousand members in their group, they can't load the member list to evict or add new members.)

I have no clue what causes this, and to date, the only "solutions" for it are either to relog and try to leave the group again, or to go to a fairly low-lag sim and repeatedly attempt to leave the group, until it finally says you're not in the group any more, then...wait for around ten minutes. Both "solutions" are a hassle.

While I do my best to anonymize the chat captured below, I am going to mention that it's a hair group, because it becomes relevant. I had been wandering the wilds of Neverwinter, before logging in to wander the grid, so came into this partially after the main outburst.

[16:59] sxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: If you leave a group and it says you havent you just need to relog
[16:59] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: no
[16:59] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: it will not work
[16:59] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I ejected you...

So saith the mod.

[16:59] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: i want to join [competitor's hair group]
[16:59] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: love her hair!

So why can't she? Sure, that hair group is a pay hair group, but it's more than worth it for the group gifts alone.

[16:59] Vxxxxx Mxxxxx: you need to update your viewer if you cant leave groups
[16:59] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: drools!
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: OK GOING TO LOG AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS

I'm fairly sure she didn't actually log off the grid, though, because of the following conversation.

[17:00] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Ok you've been ejected. Please don't praise other hair brands in here. Thank you!
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: BUT DO CHECK OUT [competitor's hair group]
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: HER HAIR IS TO DIE FOR
[17:00] Jxxxxxx Lxxxx: oi
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [another competitor's hair group]
[17:00] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: all she has to do is relog the group wil remove itself if she has already left
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: :)
[17:00] Jxxxxxx Lxxxx: not its not
[17:00] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: but to talk about another group here is being quite disrespectful
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: OH HER HAIR SI BEAUTIFUL

"Is".

[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT HAIR
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: I AM NOT LONGER A PART OF IT
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SO DOES NOT MATTER

So, because you've been kicked out of a group, you're not only going to burn the bridge behind you, but drop a pony nuke on your way out of town? Mature, Ms. [Wxxxxx].

[17:00] Vxxxxx Mxxxxx: sounds like the ban was deserved
[17:00] cxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow, so rude to promote other places hair in here.
[17:00] Jxxx Cxxxxxx: Troll
[17:00] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [yet another competing hair group]
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NODS

You're agreeing that it's rude, Ms. [Wxxxxx]? An unexpected drop of self-awareness in you.

[17:01] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: as long as u are talkin here u are a part of it
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2]
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:01] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: relog so u go away
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: THE HAIR IS SOFT
[17:01] Jxxx Cxxxxxx: blocked....
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: ITS NOT LIKE WOOD
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT WOODY HAIR
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: :)

So...what, precisely, is "woody" hair? My mind immediately thinks of hair festooned with branches and twigs, but I'm fairly sure that's not what she means. Does she mean hair that doesn't move? But mesh hair does move, and if you're going to complain about mesh hair from this store, you really have to complain about mesh hair from any hair store that makes mesh hair.

[17:01] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: I am coming to understand why u were banned

I'm surprised it took anyone this long, frankly.

[17:01] sxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Wxxxxx] why you being a complete and utter idiot?

Excellent question. Why is she acting so ridiculous in this group? She never gives a comprehensible answer?

[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2] AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SURE YOU ARE
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: GOTS TO DO YOUR DIRTY WORK FOR [group owner]
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2] HAIR IS SOFT
[17:01] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: NOT WOOD LIKE
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:02] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: wtf
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT FULL HAIR
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #3]
[17:02] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: Idk who [group owner] is but i applaud her for banning u

About this time, in addition to being ejected from this group, she was also banned from the hair store in question.

[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2]
[17:02] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: She's been ejected and banned she just needs to relog and she will be gone. :)
[17:02] Jxxx Cxxxxxx: Love my BLOCK button...js
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: OR [competing hair brand #2]
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: CHECK THEM OUT
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2] HAS SOME HAIRS FOR 50L
[17:02] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: I just told her as much
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: VERY PRETTY SOFT HAIRW

"Hair". And understand, all I'm doing with this is anonymizing, I'm not editing. All the phrasing and the misspellings are entirely the result of Ms. [Wxxxxx]'s own errors.

[17:02] Jxxx Cxxxxxx: :)
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: THEY DO NOT LOOKLIKE WOOD
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: ITS VERY PRETTY
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: 50L HAIRS
[17:02] axxxxx Cxxxxxx): but she rather sit here and be a public nuisance
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AT [competing hair brand #2]
[17:02] Vxxxxx Mxxxxx: we all know these things. you just sound like an idiot now

Pretty much. No one in SL only knows one hair brand and needs this level of screaming, divisive hand-holding. This is so staggeringly, unrepentantly rude it makes my brain reel.

[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL
[17:02] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: PRETTY HAIR AT [competing hair brand #3] AS WELL
[17:02] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: *shrugs*
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOVELY
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT HAIRS
[17:03] gxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what on earth is happening over here?

Technically, Lindens. Lindens happened here, by breaking the group chat code. The mods couldn't load the group member list until halfway through this diatribe, but we learned also that once they managed to get the list loaded, and tossed her out of the group, as long as she didn't leave the conversation, she was still in the group, and able to communicate. That's an unexpected complication.

Let that sink in. I have been in active chats and left groups, and it always, always closes the group chat when I do. That is the expected behavior of leaving a group with an open chat. With this new bug, it doesn't. That is a very deep fracture of the chat code.

[17:03] Vxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ^^^ another prime example of why more women should swallow.
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: VERY SOFT
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOVELY HAIR
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #2]
[17:03] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: Hi5 [Vx]
[17:03] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: stfu
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: FOR 50L
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #3]
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: CHECK OUT
[17:03] kxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: why is it when i think of all caps i think of a stereotypical german lol

Not really sure? But hey, knock yourself out.

[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SO OSFT

"Soft".

[17:03] sxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: She ob a griefer cos they all look like Noons, and she ob doesnt get hair thats in any of the places she recommends

Uh. What? Seriously, what are "Noons"? Does she mean "newbs", maybe?

[17:03] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: lol whaaat
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: PRETTY HAIR
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOVELY HAIR
[17:03] gxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: XD @[Vx]
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: [competing hair brand #3]
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: COME CHECK IT OUT
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL!
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: AND [competing hair brand #2]
[17:03] Cxxxxxxx Fxxx: SOFT BUNNY
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: 50L
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: SOFT
[17:03] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: DONT MISS THE [competing hair brand #2] SALES
[17:04] gxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: LOL [Kxxxx] I am German and I find that hilarious!
[17:04] axxxxx Cxxxxxx: can someone griefer her already and knock her offline
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: LOL
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: BY THE WAY
[17:04] Wxxxxx Gxxxxxx: I AM NOT READING YOUR TEXT

So, you're doing all this, making several thousand users absolutely loathe you, irritating an entire store group, for...what, exactly? What possible amount of lollery excuses this level of tadpole-minded dementia?

Oh, and that sounded very much like you were responding to group members, so...were you also lying to us, Ms. [Wxxxxx]?
We'll hold off on the rest of it until tomorrow, I think. Pick it up then.

it's so hard to get old without a cause

Kitestring. There are other get-home-safe apps, but the others rely on actions--swiping the phone screen, shaking the phone--to work. Kitestring requires inaction. So, sure, if the user leaves their phone at the bar, there'll be meaningless messages sent, but weighing that against people in genuine distress trumps for me.

Why Square Enix rocks.

Why gamer 'Daily Dose' is not only an idiot, but essentially enforcing he'll be seeing a LOT more of that character he hates.

And now...more Scenes from a Chat:

[Zone] Starry Sky@darkyss1: if i dont like it i wont play it
[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: so bc you dont like it eprsonally, that makes it for children? like i said - immature
[Zone] Starry Sky@darkyss1: well i can only speak for my taste
[Zone] Starry Sky@darkyss1: and it did remind me of another popular kiddies game

Now I want to know what game they're discussing.

[Zone] Talfuris@necranis: hide and go anal?

That's...not a game.

[Zone] Fearless@xidion1337: i got a stupid question :P i just started with this game is this the same as world of warcraft in playstyle or its diffrent frome that?
[Zone] Zalan OldCrow@blacklilac: It's similar...
[Zone] Fearless@xidion1337: okay
[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: no its the same but with less skills basically

Really?

Because there's a lot of skill diversity, I thought...But then, I've never been a WoW player. Anyone who has more experience want to weigh in on this?

[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Smurfs
[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: smurfs?
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: smurfette?
[Zone] Katniss@heisenberg744: HODOR
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: DESTROY
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Smurf you mother smurfer
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: REPENT MEOW
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Pay to win
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: PAY TO WIN SUCKERS
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: It's not pay to win
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: Depends on how you define win

Yeah, but more, this argument comes up all the time. It's not pay to win. It's pay anything if you're too lazy to take the time to gear up properly, and the only 'win' is involved in the PvP arena.

So if your definition of 'pay to win' is limited entirely to fighting other people, with specialty enchantments that won't work against in-game enemies, only other people...then sure, fine, BY THAT DEFINITION it's 'pay to win'. But in all other ways and defintions, it's not.

[Zone] Kenpachi@kenpachitr: its called transfer AD to Zen
[Zone] Zalan OldCrow@blacklilac: Specially as there is no 'win'
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: your mom's p2w
[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: oh just ignore the children :p they are just sad bc they have no money
[Zone] Cerunos@kynejorrvaskr: lolol
[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: if you want agame that has no cash shop - play a sub mmo.
[Zone] Kenpachi@kenpachitr: u say that until u go in a pvp match lvl 50 when opponent is full epic geared wallet warriors when ur green sh*t

Well, and again, if that's your only concern, then gear up in return and stop bitching, or play the rest of the game. Seriously, this is a non-issue. Anything you can get on the Zen Market you can get similarly in game. (By that, I mean, sure, you won't be able to get a a White Tiger mount, currently 3,500 Zen on the Zen Market, but you can get an Apparatus of Kwalish, which is an Epic-level mount with the same speed, and roughly the same stats, for just under a million AD, the in-game currency. So sure, it's easier to buy the cool things, but you don't have to, is the main point. You can earn similar benefits--mounts, companions, armor, et cetera--in-game doing quests and special events, if you're not a chump and you're willing to work for them.

[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: oh wait. you cant AFFORD the sub xD
[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: lol
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: Don't go to the arena

Exactly.

[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: Well, and I don't play PvP, so...don't care.
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: I win

If you say so.

[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: well heres an idea - do the dailys get ad and buy blue off of the ah

That too.

[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: and you are jealous?
[Zone] Cerunos@kynejorrvaskr: pvp are dailies too

They are, and they do net some rather high AD awards, but what she's saying is do the other dailies. Running dungeons takes about an hour, running daily Foundry quests takes about an hour to an hour and a half. So basically, how much is your time worth?

[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: they rather just cry and throw a tantrum xD
[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: and common sence :P
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: RAGE
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: SMURF
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: Rage Smurf?
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: MEOW TO TEH FACE
[Zone] Cerunos@kynejorrvaskr: smurfs are f*cking annoying

Yes, but why...oh, that childrens' game? Wait, was there ever a Smurfs MMO? I don't think there was.

[Zone] Starry Sky@darkyss1: lol you dont need money in this game,just some accounts and leadership

Pretty much. Rank your leadership in the crafting menu as high as you can, as quickly as you can, and you can net 3000 AD per day just doing low-end crafting on that alone.

[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: i enjoy trolling the pvpers - ill que for pvp on my 19k gwf and then campfire afk while they rage it up xD

Yeah, so...I'm not crazed about PvP, never have been, but seriously, that's just a rotten thing to do.

[Zone] Starry Sky@darkyss1: and kids have alot of spare time
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: syas teh poor guy
[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: mara why not troll there campfire :P
[Zone] Mara Hawkeye@damnataanimus: its more fun that way xD

For you maybe, Mara. Still a consummate jerk thing to do.

[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: don't buy ID scrolls
[Zone] Muerte@d5335: why
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: It's not worth it
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: I mainline ID scrolls, what are you talking about?
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: It's absolutely worth it.
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Darth Vader is your daddy
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: the scrolls are worht more than the crap you are IDing

Not true. Especially if I'm using them to identify green, blue or purple level gear.

[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: Only ID blues

So many people hold this erroneous belief. I've had some green-level items sell for more than the ID scroll was worth in the Auction house.

[Zone] Muerte@d5335: its a blue item i need to scroll
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: and you will have lots of scrolls
[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: dont buy scrolls....
[Zone] Ginger Pie@kkk1111111111111: ID greens @ 60 is waste of gold
[Zone] Briesril@joyousdeciever: queue then afk = troll is your life so pathetic that irritating others is entertaining to u?

Probably. Elsewise, why advertise that's what she does in chat? She's counting on the people in the PvP arena being so invested in the PvP arena, they're not even bothering to read Zone chat.

[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: buy slightly used ded hookers

Oh, my gods, these chats were captured MONTHS apart! WTF is up with Zone chat's obsession with dead hookers?!?

[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Darth Smurf "join the blue side"
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: Really? 125 AD for a scroll. Blue drop of +4 armor I can sell for 500 to 4500 AD depending. Oh, yeah, they're so not worth it.
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: learn to read
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: I said ONLY ID BLUES

He did, but there was a bit of lag, and I had been responding to his earlier comment about not IDing at all below blue. See commentary below.

[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Learn to spell
[Zone] Muerte@d5335: you are a biitch man
[Zone] Muerte@d5335: holy sh*t, so toxic...
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: reported
[Zone] Muerte@d5335: like i could ever care
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: Green starts with G for garbage

Judgmental little thing, aren't you?

[Zone] Shieldmaiden Amber@dimensionallight: a blue drop at 60? rofl more like 80-100
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: does your foundry quest have slightly used ded hookers?
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: When I started typing, you hadn't said that yet, Sinbad. :p
[Zone] PoomTang@slumdog71: LOL THORONDOR..
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: Yes but you can vendor level 60 blues for 34 silver
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: which is a good deal even counting the scroll
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: DROWS ARE AFRICANS

Wait, WHAT?!?

[Zone] Briesril@joyousdeciever: not when i list them
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: Generally, yeah
[Zone] Thea Uthadar@EmillyOrr: Anyway. Back to gaming.
[Zone] Raven@zagyg88: Smurf you

Yeah, yeah, Raven, dream on.

black and blue seeds

We continue from part one, as the chat continues to go downhill...

[Zone] Ezekiel Ravenshield@bush1d0: is there a way to zoom the camera lol ??
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: by praying to the dev gods to add it, otherwise, sadly, no....
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: yeah, i don't think there a FOV option
[Zone] tIP the scales@philskill1: there is...
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: type /gfxsetdefaultfov

Wau. Learn a new thing every chat. Well, not every chat. Some chats, though.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: see, say you don't know something and people correct you
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: don't ask questions in zone
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: waste of time
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: please use google before asking in zone

I understand what you're saying here, I do, and granted, there's a lot of game information for any of the games we play online. But...if I'm asking where a certain vendor is, or how to get into a certain place, why am I going to Google first? They may not know, or may not be accurate.

Of course, by the same extension, this is Zone chat. They may not know, or be accurate.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: lol
[Zone] tIP the scales@philskill1: but we answerd it....
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: common courtesy
[Zone] Lil ShinShank@cerialshank: Mab, stfu
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: i didn't ask i just said no
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: and you had to correct :P

It is the way of our people.

[Zone] Lil ShinShank@cerialshank: Anyone can ask anything whenever they want. Its the ZONE. Its there to talk to eachother and get help if you need it.
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: Where do your face babies come from?

I....I don't understand. What are face babies?

[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: Honestly if you want to talk talk. Don't let people shame you. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask.
[Zone] Lorea@Venivididormii: is this the danger zone?
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: And no is forced to answer
[Zone] Nine@drartwhodent: but, please do *read* the tooltips and quest text b4 asking stuff, a lot is answered there

That's fair too, actually. A lot of the problems people run into in all online games trace back to not wanting to read the box text for quests and other events.

[Zone] Meatshield@xzarcastic: ASK WHAT EVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CAUSE HATERS ARE GAOING TO BE HATERS AND THUS tard monkeys . :p
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: i heard msgs are bad for your health

If they're from gold spammers, that's right.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: Rose, how much gold ish my time worth to you
[Zone] Eshadowone@eshadowone: opinion varies from person to person, so with sense of humor.
[Zone] Eshadowone@eshadowone: sarcasm maybe funny to some but insulting to others
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one, and more times than not theyre full of sh**....

*sighs*

[Zone] Fauxlivia@zantosa1881: questions are awesome, spam I could do without

Always.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: hey thanks, haven't heard that 208723498274982374 times since the 80s
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: this zonechat was funner yesterday with the pickup lines
[Zone] Goosgoos Salad@goosgoos: you make that up yourself?
[Zone] Greype Kneehigh@gimpocalypse: and it doesn't help that they broke the Sarcasm font... and won't fix it

There was a sarcasm font?

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: never underestimate the 80s...
[Zone] Anyallah Moonshadow@thirdlevelrogue: Heh, save the city by storming the bridge and get some dirty pants and shirt for a reward. Oh boy...

No, no, that's actually the upgrade. First, your ship is attacked by a Dracolich outside of Neverwinter and you crash on the beach. For some mysterious, only-known-to-the-GMs reason, you were stripped down to just sleep attire before the attack. You're told--by Private Wilfred, the first time you meet him--to dig through some crates that have washed ashore. You end up finding (and hopefully equipping) a worn or broken weapon of your class, and some rags that barely cover you (and provide zero in-game defense). Then off you're sent to fight skeletons, zombies, and worse before ending up at the Sleeping Dragon Bridge, where, after the evil Valindra kills Private Wilfred very offhandedly, you fight your way through all obstacles and end up in Protectors' Enclave, the main neutral zone in Neverwinter.

And when you finally track down the man you're supposed to talk to about getting outfitted, Sergeant Knox, he sends you over to a man with a small fire built on the city cobbles, a tripod and cauldron set over it (one would assume food, but as we never see him eat, maybe it's leather bleach, or wood glue, or something), and he says oh sure, just rummage around in those chests over there, and thanks for saving the city.

Your 'reward' for all this? A basic set of clothing that's barely protective at all, suited to your class, and--even worse--what looks for all the world like a tunic and trews in faded, ill-fitting burlap and leather, to 'wear around town'. Not on your life, son, those are disturbingly ugly, and they look infested with bugs, and these are supposed to be what we wear when we're not in full armor??

Because seriously, this is how we're enticed into the game. Look awesome! Get incredible armor! Be stylish and badass! But what we actually get, when first starting out, is closer to mended scraps passed down from people who likely died in them.

I understand why--in a world of plentiful change and exciting buyable items, the admins are still trying to create an initial impression of scarcity--that Neverwinter is still a city under attack, by vastly more powerful (and better equipped) sources. It sort of works, if only to convince every player who starts out to lay cash down immediately for better gear, but I think the main intent got lost in the shuffle.

[Zone] Ponyo@ponrazzle: wow
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: Show me potato salad!!!
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: i wash my gear in the blood of mine enemies
[Zone] Kaylee Krankenwagen@abell39: I would hope my chars find time to wash their clothes while I'm logged out.
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: technically our characters are homeless
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: we saved neverwinter, but don't even have a studio apt to live in
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: yeah we need some player housing, or at least a decent pub!
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: you can't even push a button to get back to protectors enclave
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: hookers. we need hookers.

WHY? Though technically, they do exist, it's just not possible to...erm..."interact" with them. In fact, one of the most luminously beautiful builds in the game is the Moonstone Mask, where courtesans of all races and genders live in a mansion atop a floating island, hovering over Protectors' Enclave. The Moonstone Mask is also the home (unsurprisingly) of much of the actual player-based roleplay in the game, considering it is equal parts tavern, dance party, quest anchor and multiroomed entertainment venue.

But I won't lie, Neverwinter lacking player homes is a (small) disappointment.

[Zone] Xatmo@xatmo99: player housing = make a house in foundry
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: i hang out at the pub, but every time i fall asleep i wake up with a drunken dwarf spooning me....
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: We really are homeless
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: Neverember told me the other day: thanks hero for saving us again. now get out of my throneroom, stinky bum
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: who needs a bed when you have hookers.
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: you just pile their dead bodies up

Wau. Why did I not ban this idiot before now? Banned the next time I go in.

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: in fact, forget about the pub and tha blackjack
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: The Driftwood Tavern!
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: what hookers. No one told me about any hookers
[Zone] Galt@s0rc3r0r: hookers! where?

Moonstone Mask. Seriously, people, keep up.

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: awe screw the whole thing [Zone] Nobu@noburitsu: HOW DO U MOUNT A HORSE
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: from behind?
[Zone] NZkiwi@gomjaz: not like a hocker

Um...

[Zone] Greype Kneehigh@gimpocalypse: from behind?
[Zone] Nalik@nalikk: 6, after you equip it

Thank you for actually providing a real answer!

[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: depends on preference
[Zone] Greype Kneehigh@gimpocalypse: never mount it from the front
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: wtb slightly used dead hookers

DAMN it, I thought we were done with this topic...

[Zone] Di Apzen Xarzith'dos@dragoness10: yeah well we have bacon...
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: man. they gave us pea soup ffs.
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: what are we?!?! PEONS?!?!
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: If you are not making a TV show, why do you need dead hookers
[Zone] Mika Hawklight@miscdebris1: Do people seriously not know to keep the adds off the healer?

Nope. Not ever, not at all.

[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: slightly used dad hookers are good for pron

...Dad hookers? I don't want to know.

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: youre pimping fathers?
[Zone] Xan@themastercreator: i prefer them dead accually

Dads, or hookers? Gad, this is an offensive conversation.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: they also make great fertilizer

Dads, or...DEAR GODS NEVER MIND!

[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: You prefer them dead. Sounds like a Kermit moment to me.
[Zone] Galt@s0rc3r0r: that's kinda what's goin down here...
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: yeah plenty of lonely housewives like em ded and slightly used

DADS?!?

[Zone] Xan@themastercreator: they do i get such good tomato yeilds from dead hooker fertalizer
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: not gonna eat your dead hooker tomatoes, TYVM
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: gross
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: dead hooker katsup
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: you don't eat them yourself... pfttt.
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: you sell them to Taco Bell

*headdesk*

[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: lol
[Zone] Xatmo@xatmo99: lol
[Zone] Bubba@drartwhodent: hey mr. dj - looks like zone wants to hear Alice Cooper "I love the dead"
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: oh no, you feed them to others, grosss
[Zone] Xan@themastercreator: taste like trears
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: hey, better than the pink slime....
[Zone] ParteCus@afonsop181: i'm new to this refine stuff and upgrading a shard, but f*ck sake, 1% of sucess?
[Zone] Ra3nDr0pS@lahollo: what about the pink sock?

The pink...what? I don't want to know.

[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: little boy is always so gross

This whole conversation is gross. Done.

don't ask for help, you're all alone

So, this one starts off...sort of normal...and goes downhill REALLLLLY quickly.

[Zone] Kyriev@mitani02: Hrm, do people actually buy gold these days?

Don't you mean 'buy diamonds', the in-game currency bought with real money?

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: not anyone that values their account....

Also true. Also that response makes me think they made that same connection, too.

[Zone] Kyriev@mitani02: One thing doing campaigns does, is give you a ton of crap items, which you sell..and end up with the 1.6k gold I have.
[Zone] Fraggle@hashthetag: make bank
[Zone] Kyriev@mitani02: its really sad
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: but theres one born every minute...
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: i would sooner buy gold from a dethroned nigerian prince....
[Zone] Mettyk@cagedrat: yes, those poor unfortunates
[Zone] Sinbad@Quetzaqoatl: right
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: thats zamundian...
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: scream it out loud peoplee
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: SHOW ME THE MONEEEEEY
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: really...?
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: hollywood blvd Pervy, cost you a fiddy....
[Zone] Pervy@pervygh: ._.
[Zone] Baszun@baszun67: bout tree fitty
[Zone] Mara Shadowskiss@damnataanimus: but if its not worth real money... why do people buy it with real money? Why do gold sellers exist? If people will pay for something its not just a pixel xD

Yeah, so, that's a bigger question, and I think there's really two main reasons involved: laziness (because anything you can gain by buying diamonds from a gold spammer you can gain by buying them from Cryptic Studios, or just earning them on your own) and ignorance (because few new users of gold-spammer services realize that by buying from these services, they're giving them access to their credit-card numbers, addresses, any electronic data the thieves are able to skim out of the info given, et cetera and so on.)

[Zone] Lil ShinShank@cerialshank: WTB thunderfurry!!

...What's a 'thunderfurry'??

[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: follow the yellow brick road
[Zone] ExiT@mynwacct: its entertainment
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: Pearl, i followed the yellow brick road once, it ended in rehab...
[Zone] CmdrValance@cmdrvalance: gold is useless in this game

Actually, it's not, it can be very useful, especially for restocking crafting supplies.

[Zone] SONY@mtronco: google show me the money it will appear for sure
[Zone] Blunder Thud@drartwhodent: gold is used for potions, kits and removing stones from gear
[Zone] Mara Shadowskiss@damnataanimus: and that was not q uestion to the people who msged me... it was more a musing at that person who said its just a pixel -.-
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: la internet mijo
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: its not wise to anger the interweb.....
[Zone] Haldir of Lorien@WanKokWai: theres no ppl selling zen at the ad-exchange, is it a problem for long time to come?
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: el internet?
[Zone] Exanim4@fugamerck: si el interne
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: lol
[Zone] rat@cagedrat: people are selling, post your offer and get in line with the rest of us
[Zone] Valindramelapimpla@acroponix: Sizas pirobo
[Zone] Valindramelapimpla@acroponix: viva colombia
[Zone] Valindramelapimpla@acroponix: hijueputas
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: moo goo gai pan

Really? Uncalled for. Also stupid.

[Zone] Valindramelapimpla@acroponix: viva el perico AMERICANS!
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: beef enchilada

Cue aggrieved sigh. (But hey, I found two new recipes I'll have to try, so I guess demi-thanks are in order?)

[Zone] Sylindryll@sbeecraft: serously... is anyone stupid enough to buy sh** off that internet site spam crap
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: click click bloody click pancakes!!!
[Zone] Malyc@cagedrat: lots of people are that stupid
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: like MAlyc
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: hey just cause i went to that site doesn't make me stupid

Actually, kind of by definition, it does, yes.

[Zone] Malyc@cagedrat: a good deal are very young kids with their parent's cards
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: OMG haddock
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: it does indeed

See?

[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: lol
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: in that case the parents deserve it, dont give your kids your cc

Truer words...

[Zone] SONY@mtronco: who the hell spends real money for game money?

Lots of people, all the time, in all the games, every day.

[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: :D
[Zone] Malyc@cagedrat: on the bright side, f*ck you, pearl
[Zone] Diva@divalords: Not me
[Zone] Diva@divalords: Never will I ever do that again

Wait. "Again"? Change your passwords, Diva, NOW.

[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: so youre going to fk me? ew no thanks
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: what's the point on playing if you're gonna pay for the stuff instead of... play for it
[Zone] Diva@divalords: after Evercrack and that other WoW game... no thnaks
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: if you kids gotta buy something online, get them a prepaid giftcard

Well, heck, these days that works for anyone. Pre-paid cards are common, easy to use, can be purchased on and offline, and are accepted in many places. There's even services that can act as Mastercards or VISAs. Truly, it is the future.

[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: sony please share more of your wisdom, sensei
[Zone] Dropdose@ronniedow: is your deighty important?

You mean..."deity"? That is horribly mispelled.

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: that way no matter how stupid they are, the exposure is limited
[Zone] Dardra@morithan: Are you an idiot? If people didnt spend real money on this gaem THERE WOULD BE NO GAME
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: haah thanks man that was more enlightning than what i said
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: ok here's one: which npc do you consider to be most annoying in this game
[Zone] Rha Klaatu@alansweet: If its fresh haddock, a little wine tartar suace
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: The Town Cryer, all he does is cry
[Zone] Malyc@cagedrat: dedicated to his job
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: neverwinter commoner
[Zone] SONY@mtronco: he's such a pushy a**hole
[Zone] Lil ShinShank@cerialshank: Rofl
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: to me it's the linkletters, followed closely by private wilfred, and then rhix

Okay, Rhix can be annoying, but I think that's mostly because of the voiceover. He's a small kobold who hangs out behind the Seven Suns Coster Market, beside the Tarmalune bars trader. Still, even that annoyance is worth something--he pays well, offering daily quests in exchange for Astral Diamonds.

[Zone] Dropdose@ronniedow: are certain gods better for each class type or does it not really matter?
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: i was rooting for rahzad
[Zone] Rha Klaatu@alansweet: Elimiester is the worse
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: who is Elimiester

I think you both mean Elminster, an NPC who offers up fabulous foods and trinkets for seasonal events. He's also occasionally an NPC for other events, either introducing the quest lines or offering payment for completing event quests.

He's something of a crotchety old man--think Gandalf, but more annoying--but again, he pays well, and he's not that hard to deal with.

[Zone] Lomax@volsuoft: god u choose doesnt make a difference
[Zone] Fauxlivia@zantosa1881: Poor wilfred

So not kidding. Private Wilfred has one of the most tragic storylines in the entire game. That link doesn't go into all of them, so let's just say that his pointless and entirely avoidable death on the Sleeping Dragon Bridge is only the start of his troubles.

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: Gods have no bearing Drop, its just a backstory thing and occasionally a logo on certain cloaks....

A-ha, is that why my main cleric has the suns all over her cloak now? Because the sun is the symbol of Tymora. It all makes sense!

[Zone] Dropdose@ronniedow: ty for the info
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: in game god doesnt really make a difference
[Zone] Melanie Malachite@imapercent: I always shout "Praise Cthulu!" before prayer and it gives me boons, exp, ad, and potions. Cthulu is the bestest god of all! :D
[Zone] Keeroh@tinykeeroh: Who's up for a cuddle puddle?

In this game? What?

[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: That which is dead doth eternal lie
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: for with strange eons even death may die...
[Zone] cosmos@moltenofficial: team_leave
[Zone] Xan@themastercreator: go for the eyes boo...GO FOR THE EYES!!! RHAAAAAH!!!!
[Zone] Keeroh@tinykeeroh: If you're into that mopey sadness and bad eyeliner
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: Don't teach my hamster to suck eggs!
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: o.o
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: That was a baaaaad statement to log in on.
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: I do not like the tone of your voice, Dark Elf. The face I have is the face the ladies love! Boo loves Minsc's face, too! Don't you, Boo?
[Zone] Keeroh@tinykeeroh: So about this cuddle puddle

Yeah, think that's a no, on further consideration. Without even one functional chair, let alone bench, bed or pile of pillows, the concept of "cuddling" while standing, in full armor, just lacks all appeal.

[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: El Minster has fled to Mexico with the neverwinter renown. Pursue him and recapture the renown. Coming soon in Module 4
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: so how come the disk isnt displayed on the shaundakul stables?
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: Because it's not a horse.
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: Silly pearl
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: its still a mount
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: But it's not a horse.
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: yet it's a mount
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: But it's not a horse!
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: however it's a mount
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: theres a friggin spider there
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: and the beetle...
[Zone] Kerensa Loreweaver@abell39: IT'S A MAGIC HOCKEY PUCK.
[Zone] Ellestia@poisonyann1: Rust monster is still on display too, instead of the floating skull

Also, both of the last two are companions, not mounts...

[Zone] Lady Gaga@iniark: why my bow is be colorido?

What? Why is your bow--what, exactly?

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: omg lady gaga, kill it with FIREEEEE
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: what's with the creepy people
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: oh come on, it's zone
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: creepy is the status quo in zone

To be fair...much as we might wish otherwise.

[Zone] Lyralei@twitchhhyyy: haha you're short
[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: moob = creepy
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: and i'm a bigot.
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: as are you!
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: yay!
[Zone] Jenn Trickfoot@emerald695: yay for moobs
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: and youre explosively backward
[Zone] Zerkkin@zerkkin: thx
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: i'm a bigot, you're a bigot. we're all rush limbaughs in some way
[Zone] Rilla Turtledove@abell39: Okay that one was actually clever
To a small extent, which was why I left it in. And it is true--we're raised, in general, to categorize and label because it helps us understand our world, but that all too easily leads to restrictions, bias, and separation.

[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: Hello, We are guild Defiant | Actively run T2/MC/CN/VT daily, strong presence in PVP as well as Gauntlgrym | Teamspeak Required | Active | Reply if you are interested and I will send an invite.

I usually trim out the guild join requests, but I'm leaving this one in for a specific reason. More on that below.

[Zone] Moob@niko9er: some people. sheesh.
[Zone] Rilla Turtledove@abell39: Beats me.
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: i do have to say chat is relatively lively tonight
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: use the guild finder and ask
[Zone] Mabondal@tjlongshot: defiant is recruiting but we are mostly looking for female voices to fill our teamspeak

...that's the reason. Seriously, people? You just want more girls to talk to?? And note, they're not asking for more female characters--because this is Neverwinter, so 80% of player characters are female already--but more females willing to talk to them. No other qualifications in the second part, though the first does state strong skills are required in end-game PvP battles.

I somewhat suspect, how'ver, that those requests for active dungeon-running and end-game guild-versus-guild warfare are only for Teh Mens; they just want girls to talk to them and tell them how awesome they are at gaming.

[Zone] Pearl Of Lutetium@ad282707: lol
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: i'm sure he can put a wig on. seems the type.
[Zone] Roujin@NighthawkICH: crap i forgot im here to play a game, brb
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: OK
[Zone] Moob@niko9er: gg you won. for meeeoow.
[Zone] Eliza Urthadar@naddasleepy: WHOSE PET ASKED IF IT HURT TO BE SO UGLY?
[Zone] Haddock@haddock000: Apparently the Urthadars are a prominent family in NW

And prolific, don't forget prolific. Actually, Urthadar's one of the 'standard' last names for Neverwinter. When making up a character, you can make up your own name from scratch, pick a premade first name and an original last name, premade last name with an original first name, or just hit 'Random' for the luck of the draw.

(Continued in part two.)