Showing posts with label Gor. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gor. Show all posts

03 September, 2020

you caught me smiling, why'd you wait so long? (part two)

Picking up from part one, the next five tones!

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This is the rich, cobalt blue linen, shown again with the light rope adornments.

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This is the sage linen, and at least in this pose, it doesn't clip obviously when sitting. Shown with the black rope armlets and collar.

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If anyone ever wanted a true, Tyrian purple linen camisk, Mara is definitely your girl. Shown with the black rope options.

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I know some are going to roll their eyes, but this is honestly a taupe linen...but sure, if we want to, we can name it tan. It's just got a touch too much grey to be a true tan. Shown with the brown rope option.

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And finally, the standard worn brown linen, staple of every shivering servant girl, with the light rope adornments.

I have no idea what these are going to be priced at, or which are only fatpack-specific: I'm showing off all the tones I received just to be on the safe side. Three tones of rope: the light rope, the brown, and the black (and again, I'll verify whether or not the rope belt is supposed to also change), and....it's now occurred to me I'm an idiot, and I'll explain, but ten different linen colors for the camisk.

Okay, the idiot part! I completely bypassed the inset HUD-within-a-HUD for the camisk colors! So YES the rope belt can be changed; but it changes with the little circle HUD inside the ring of colors! The collar and armlets, on the other hand, have a separate HUD to change them, so the rope belt can be one tone, the rope armlets can be another (or, if one wanted to take a bit of time, one could make the rope collar black, say, then remove it, put on the armlets and make them the light tone, then change the belt to brown.

Silly. I should have picked that up. Miss sachi is smarter than I am.

Mara is sized for Maitreya Lara, Maitreya Lara Petite, Legacy, Legacy Perky and Legacy Petite, and Slink, Slink Hourglass and Slink Hourglass Petite.

NOTE: The leg wraps aren't from this outfit; they're from a Belle Epoque outfit, "Intense Power" (in the tone Coffee).

Pictures taken in Hel's Landing, a Bloodlines-friendly, Adult land rife with demons, angels, vampires, Lycans and Vikings, so keep that in mind.

02 September, 2020

you caught me smiling, why'd you wait so long? (part one)

I love this woman. She is part of my tribe. It sounds exactly like something I'd come up with. (There is some NSFW language there, though, be aware.)

And did you know Moulin Rouge's elephant was not just a Hollywood invention? I knew, but I did not know about the back garden.

Anyway. For once, I had the time to cover something early, and I'm not about to pass this up.

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We're starting with the outfit as it came out of the box, no edits: the Mara camisk in black linen, with light-toned rope belt, armlets and collar. Observers will likely catch the gold chain of the underwear I'm wearing; I don't intend to take them off, but they're not included in the outfit.

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It also comes in white linen (again shown with the light-toned rope adornments).

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I'm not sure how period dark pink linen is? I'd think it's a hard tone to achieve medievally, but if it's seen in Gor, probably, because Gor's always had that weird pure-primitive/high-tech mix. Shown in the brown rope tone.

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Depending on the lighting, this tone is either a shaded maroon linen, or almost a russet, but I'm just going to call it wine and go from there. Everything I'm wearing, by the way, has not been adjusted for the shots, so as you'll notice on my right arm, there will be poses the rope armlets, at least, will clip a bit. Standard hazard with any animation set.

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It wasn't until the red linen that I realized the rope color HUD only changes the collar and the armlets, not the belt. I'm not sure if this is intentional, I'll ask and update.

And on to part two! I will update this when the event opens!

NOTE: The leg wraps aren't from this outfit; they're from a Belle Epoque outfit, "Intense Power" (in the tone Coffee).

[SECOND NOTE, this time from the Editrix: There is a HUD that changes the collar and armlets. I'll explain that in entry two.]

Pictures taken in Hel's Landing, a Bloodlines-friendly, Adult land rife with demons, angels, vampires, Lycans and Vikings, so keep that in mind.

28 September, 2019

when love scars and leaves you branded, walk away and don't look back

Started with a new search term this morning, "scary", and...I guess I should have known better. Fatal Reloaded was the first sim to come up, and their blurb reads:
The Legend lives...
Gallows, Hangman Game, Executions, Asphyx, Firing Range, Electric Chair, Cruxification, Beheading, Impalement, Snuff, Brothel, Prison, Russian Roulette, Dungeon in this scary place
I know this appeals to some, but as far as I'm concerned, thanks but no.

I'll keep going, but if that's the level of search that word brings up, I won't be long in this category.

Let's see, Devils Island RLV Capture and Torture Scream Park, no, Simnelia advertises interrogation equipment, including a functional "sawmill" piece with saw, so no thank you there, there's a smattering of groups for "scary lesbians" (?) and "scary ghosts" (which seemed to be someone's family name, not an actual haunt)...and then there was Darkwood Castle. And their info states:
The mighty walls swallow all screams of the tortured inmates. Outside of the castle the tall trees give an echo of the sounds of death from the human sacrifice and the clash of arms in the bloody fight arena. Nobody can escape from the abandoned village
Riiiight. I am highly dubious.



That's not something I see everyday--a tavern with cages for prisoners.



This seems to be the only actual store on the sim.



There's that, at least. Do be careful, you can click the wrong thing and get strung up.



I can't figure this out. It's not the usual, bloodspattered-asylum-walls torture sim, but it's also not the usual medieval-life-in-Gor sim either (Gor because many of the crops, the small house containing the brewery, the weaver's shop, and others, contain Gorean RP objects with Gorean names. I don't know for sure if they actually do consider themselves part of Gor). It's an odd mix. It is on Adult land, so I'm assuming some of the scattered things are set for Adult activities, but currently, it's been a quiet stroll.



Mysterious altar in the middle of a field...



I will fully grant there are some neat poses here and there for photographs.



And the only place with bloodspattered anything on the entire sim.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not a full-on Grand Guignol experience. It's just a medieval-style sim that occasionally kills and tortures residents.

28 August, 2019

the bells of the crown are being stolen by bandits

Vanity Hair's designer had sent this message out with a demo pack earlier today:
I forgot about demos sorryyyyyyyy!!!
Yeah, thanks but no. Not doing it. Done with Hair Fair demos for the year.

For the record, she wasn't the only one who skipped that step. Bauhaus Movement on Noirette, Mister Razzor on Noirette, Lode on Noirette, Tukinowaguma on Noirette, Dahlia on Redhead, I believe Volthair on Redhead, Cranked on Redhead, Avada on Blonde, Throned on Blonde, DP Yumyum on Blonde, and quite possibly Revoul on Redhead all managed to miss that, too. Maybe next year.

Pursuant to yesterday's discussion, before I wander and talk to random individuals, I ran some simple searches through Marketplace.

Eli Rae's seems only to have one T-shirt, "Niramyth" (rigged for the Niramyth body line, obv), and they come in variations for L$50 to L$75 each: Brown with green/brown/black Celtic dragon knotwork, basic faded orange, a weathered light blue, basic dark green, dark blue, a faded gold, ragged pale brown, standard dark brown, a kind of out-of-place bright green, standard red, tattered aged white, serviceable grey, and everyday black. Oh, and there's a demo.

Todeswalzer Designs seems to have a LOT of male Gorean and adaptive medieval outfits, but...they're all for standard mesh sizes. So try demos before purchase!

Tigereye Designs, of course, showed up, and most of their male outfits seem to be a combination of Omega appliers (suitable for any mesh body that is rigged to accept Omega) and mesh pieces that may or may not be rigged (and thus adjustable). Like this one, it's Omega base layers and then five, it looks like, mesh (or sculpted, hard to tell) bits to pair with the layers. (That outfit's L$450, btw, so for those "non-self-respecting" men, it's pricey.)

Kanibal has (relatively few) male designs, but they're also only in standard mesh sizes, so demo, demo, demo.

Kahli Designs has a lot of male designs, but they're even more restrictive, doing three standard mesh sizes.

!Damned is...very odd. Like, let's look at their mesh brown cloak. All it says is 'mesh'--no listing of what bodies it's good for, or what sizes said 'mesh' comes in to wear. So demo (of course).

Treasures of the Desert is the first store that actually listed male bodies for their outfits. To wit, the Kemal White Gold set for example: the description says it's rigged for Aesthetic, TMP, Signature Gianni + Geralt, Belleza Jake, and the Slink Male Body. I'd still recommend demos, but this is the first store I'd heartily recommend to anyone flailing for male fashion.

The Golden Lily has a pretty narrow focus for menswear--fur--but they seem to be in an acceptable range of mesh body sizes. This one, for instance, is sized for system avatars, as well as Signature, Onupup, Jake, Gamit, Adin, four standard fitmesh sizes and Aesthetic.

And honestly, the longest time this search took was in tracking down the links, the prices, and searching down the Aesthetic store on the Marketplace to link to the Niramyth t-shirts seen above.

I'd say, unless the issue is a Gorean man has bought everything that caught his eye, Gorean men--or, at least, that one specific whining Gorean man--just aren't trying. So deal with what you have and stop bitching, dude, or make your own. It's not hard.

27 August, 2019

there's nothing to prove, everything's still the same

This starts off normal, then goes off the rails.
[12:00] Bxxxxx Lxxxxxx: Anyone know where the 25L items is for [store on the weekly list]?
[12:01] Emilly Orr: Wait a bit for rez, they'll be marked with the 25L sign
[12:01] Axxxxx Axxxxx: in the first room its a long dress
[12:01] Emilly Orr: Or, look for a tilted rectangle next to a vendor near the floor if you can't wait
[12:01] Bxxxxx Lxxxxxx: I see it. It hadn't rezzed for me on the floor. It still hasn't rezzed. lol
[12:02] Bxxxxx Lxxxxxx: Thanks everybody!
[12:02] Emilly Orr: Ah, drat. That sucks when it goes that way. Dress is named [name of dress] if you have labels on when you mouse over things
[12:07] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx makes a poster with his red sharpie, Writes ..." Jarl on Strike...Men are equal to women. Stop the bias against Men!".... He puts on his strike uniform, and starts to protest....... smirks
[12:07] Emilly Orr: Wrong window?
Because it seriously seemed out of the blue.
[12:08] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hmmm
[12:08] Emilly Orr: Cos...this ain't Gor, Chief. Redirect.
[12:09] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol.. i think that is because of most of these lists being for women
[12:09] Emilly Orr: Most are, true. But there are some male/unisex items. And I always tell people who really want more male-friendly options, make their own sales list. Male designers would likely leap at the chance.
[12:10] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nope right window. Just cause I'm going doesn't mean I can not protest the bias against males in the retail complex of SL, the direct bias against us
[12:10] Emilly Orr: It's not a direct bias, so much as it's the larger population.
Which is true, and likely will always be true, because most women play women, and a lot of men play women, so...women are the more substantial population.
[12:10] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: come on we all know unisex items are really just female items
We do?
[12:11] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: Or furniture
[12:11] Emilly Orr: No, and see it this way: if 80% of SL were Tinies, and only 20% were adult-sized people, how many stores would you see catering exclusively to Tinies?
[12:11] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: but you guys do love seeing your girls pretty, so in a way we are making stuff "for" men
[12:12] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I see your point. However, there is a counter point. Men make up a large segment of SL. Would they sell more if they offered more? Or are they not offering because men dont buy? Like the chicken and the egg issue
[12:12] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I buy lots of stuff for my bonds
[12:13] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: it's just a plot, so that one day you men will go around naked
[12:13] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[12:14] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx runs to invest in popcorn
Always good when drama pops up.
[12:14] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Men buy there is nothing for men to buy well I should say Gorean men.... Now if I was running about in a Man bun, drinking starbucks, and a little doggie... I could find tons of stuff
Unlike "real men", which supposedly he is? Wow. Insecure much?
[12:14] Emilly Orr: Well, that's not the worst idea, but to be fair, the sexiest look for women is still nice lingerie, and the sexiest look for most men is sharply tailored suits. That's kind of unfair, too.
[12:15] Emilly Orr: So, since every time this comes up I remark that I see a fair amount of mens' items on the main three shopping lists, should I just start compiling lists to send to you?
[12:16] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Have you asked the creator of Tigereyes - I think that is right - to join the lists?
[12:16] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: I am sorry to say statistically men buy fantasy things less than women do. Are they going to be extinct soon? Do they change clothes less frequently than women? I do not know. What I know is it takes me the same amount of time to make an outfit for women and an outfit for men. The latter sells 1/10 So I do make them, but much less frequently.
[12:17] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: And [Txxxx] has a point. If you have a favorite maker ask them to apply to 25L Tuesday :D
[12:17] Emilly Orr: And based on personal observation, men are far less willing to convert to mesh in the first place, buy mesh clothes, and pay out in general. They don't feel they need to.
[12:17] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nope cause I am speaking about Gorean men's things Like I said if I want to look like I just walked out a fu fu coffee shop, reading a book about the evils of testosterone, and a manbun I could be set
Second time he'd said basically the same thing. So I pulled his profile. Yep. Definitely looks overmuscled and undereducated, so no wonder he's sneering at guys who wear glasses and likely have better jobs.
[12:18] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Tigereyes makes Gorean male clothes
[12:18] Emilly Orr: If you say so. I say there's vendors out there for Gorean, and adaptive medieval male gear. But you do you.
[12:18] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ummm no self respecting Goream male would shop there
It's "Gorean", and...huh? Tigereye is that bad?
[12:19] ixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol.. if you say so.. I happen to know better
[12:19] Emilly Orr: No self-respecting Gorean man....why not?
[12:19] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: regardless, if you have favorite designers, you can ask them to join 25L Tuesday
[12:19] Emilly Orr: I freely admit I've never been to Tigereyes, so what's the deal?
[12:20] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: there items are for skinny ass little men Not any that have a muscular feature
Void stars, moron, we get it. You don't respect anyone who eats salad. MOVE ON.
[12:20] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: they have great stuff
[12:21] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: But if your not a certain frame size it don't work
"You're". So, if they make great stuff, why sneer at them so much earlier?
[12:21] Emilly Orr: If you have a particular mesh body that runs to the bodybuilder sort, yeah, clothing is going to be tricky. What you have to do is start scanning for people who make clothes for that specific body, and see what turns up.
[12:21] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I wish they made bigger styles
Ask them. It's not hard, just open a notecard, write down your request, and send it off to the owner. Or is that not high enough in the stupidsphere for you?
[12:23] Emilly Orr: Right, but again, figure out what best fits your body, and move in on makers that make for it. If they don't make Gorean outfits, ask 'em. Sometimes that works.
[12:23] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Txxxxxx] what is sad. There are many mens stores that have 25L plagues but there always empty.
"Plaques", I think you mean.
[12:24] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Now if any want to know I know soem great Gorean mens clothing makers
Wait...if you know Gorean male designers already, then...why are you bitching?
[12:24] Emilly Orr: As in, they're advertising they're on the list, and they're not?
[12:24] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: But I shop to much I think I own them all
So...you're just spoiled, and throwing a baby rant. Got it.
[12:25] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: meanign they belong to the group, but they don't put things up for sale
"Meaning".
[12:26] Emilly Orr: That is an issue. Nothing compels designers to have something every week, though I'd also think that if designers have the same items out every week, or no items at all week after week, [Txxxxxx] would have a chat with them.
[12:28] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tell you the truth, most all do great jobs. I think I have just bought everything already so I get bored cause there isn't anything knew that strike my fancy
Seems like that's his problem, innit? But now I'm wondering. As a female, it seems like there's a lot of makers of male gear on the three weekly cheap lists, so...is it just me? Am I seeing male gear where it's not? Or is it just that he's whining?

Personally, I believe it's the latter, but hey, it has inspired me to at least look through Tigereyes, and track down other stores. I know the Forge makes male outfits for Gor, or used to. So I need to find who else does.

09 April, 2019

and the body politic is getting sicker by the minute

Logged in to a disturbing message in one of my groups. I'm not using any identifying information beyond the words, because I want to talk with the notice's sender before I do anything more...permanent.
Thralls... there seems to be an issue of jealousy occuring.
"Occurring", and okay, I agree. Issues of jealousy on an adult roleplay sim are not good and need to be addressed.
In case you've forgotten, you are property. Either property of the village or you belong to some person. You own nothing; You have no opinion; Your will is not your own; You are chattel, no better than a cow or a dog or simply a piece of meat.
Hollllld up. This is the part I have a serious problem with.

There were three acknowledged classes in nearly all Viking cultures: the nobility, the freemen (and occasional free women) and thralls, who were essentially slaves. In old Norse and Icelandic, the term was þræll which was related to an older word meaning "run" or "runner", but with overtones of "worker". Anglo-Saxon cultures, which were partially related to Norse/Viking ones, used þeow instead, which meant 'hireling" or "labourer".

Now, slaves were owned, yes. Sold at auction, sold in open markets or captured from countries sailing men reached while going Viking. But this didn't mean they lacked agency.

Not much survives from the Viking era, but enough has to get an idea of a thrall's worth. Accounts of ancient Germanic law, from the 5th to 6th century, at least, mention it was possible for thralls to raise their status. If they were particularly skilled, they were paid for their work. Once they accumulated enough, they could essentially buy their freedom and become leysingr, or free men (free women were more rare to advance from thralls, but again, it did happen--sometimes through their own skills at weaving, baking or dyeing, sometimes through marriage to a male with higher status).

Up until Christianization of the regions, the ancient Germanic legal system was based on payments for injury or death, instead of killing the person or persons who'd committed the crime. if damage was done, damage had to be repaid, depending on the type and level of damage. For instance, the basic price for injury to a freeman was 200 weregeld, half that for thralls. Though it could be raised to 200 for thralls, or even 300, if such injury resulted in death or permanent disability. Usually the weregeld was paid to the thrall's owner, but on occasion, it was paid to the thrall.
Your Master/Mistress is not responsible to you for His/Her actions, decisions or thoughts. If you create petty disputes, they will not be tolerated. You have zero, rights, opinions or personal will.
That would be "zero rights", no comma, and that is also manifestly untrue historically. As far as Second Life goes, it sounds extraordinarily dictatorial. And, might I say, closer to Gorean practice than historical Viking re-creation. In addition, there is no single form of D/s, BDSM, or ownership, either in Second Life, or beyond the grid.

Put another way, any owned slave, pet, or submissive in real life has the right of refusal. Consent is basic, necessary, at all times. Any dominant who refuses that basic right with their submissives, unless they have negotiated that to begin with, will get a very bad reputation in the BDSM community, up to and including jail time. (Yes. This has happened.)

In Second Life, to be fair, the rules are kind of all over, but as I did not come to this sim by way of Gor, and have never been a Gorean, I came in with the right of refusal fully guaranteed by the couple who invited me. And the man who's collared me has given me that same right--to refuse, with consent always necessary. This doesn't mean I never get in trouble. This doesn't mean I'm never disciplined. This does mean I retain agency in that relationship, so I retain it on this sim.
You belong to your owner. You will be punished or, if it continues or escalates.. you will be ejected from the village. No exceptions.
My status, as such, is part of why this offends me, I admit. When I originally came to this particular roleplay sim, I came in as a thrall. It's a common thing to do, and since half of the couple I intended to live with there had already established a place, and a seat on the ruling council, it made sense to be the live-in thrall to them. It provided a handy shortcut as to why I would be there. While on the rest of the grid, I am a shapeshifting lesser fae, within the village I'm playing human, from either Eire or Frisia (I hadn't fully decided). I was acquired by the couple, and I traveled with them to early Norway. Simple, effective, it made sense.

Now, granted, over the last few months, I became part of the priesthood, so to speak--my role is not as formal, I am closer kin to shaman or hearth witch, really, but I have done ceremonies for the village. This puts me at ċeorl status, basically a free woman ranked below a jarl but above a þræll.

Later still, I joined the ruling council for the village, which, because of the structure of the village, at the very least keeps me at the level of ċeorl, but might raise me to, at best, lower nobility.

Which is all well and good, and for a variety of reasons, my autonomy and agency are preserved, but this is still dehumanizing. I am manifestly uncomfortable with dehumanization.
Finally, none of the rules or regulations of this sim are negotiable. If you think it's unfair, you are cordially invited to go somewhere else to play in Second Life.
I'm trimming off the name of the person who sent this, because I do need to talk to them before I decide what I'm going to do. I do not, as such, think it is unfair; this person owns the sim, so their sim, their rules.

But there's already a list of sims I don't go to--the capture/prey sims come to mind, the snuff sims, the asylum/rape sims, the ones where I'm required to go naked and submit to any man who wants me--because I don't agree with their policies. I don't think they're unfair, either, but I don't play there because I wouldn't do what they want, flat out.

And sure, my status, simply because of my current roles on the sim, may in fact have taken me beyond þræll status. It's perfectly possible. But I started as a þræll. And AS a þræll, I am NOT a dog. I am NOT chattel. I am manifestly NOT a piece of meat, and I refuse to be treated as such.

And yes, I am offended by this. I am disturbed by this. And I think I'm a bit angered by this. This was...not the wisest move to send to the entire group, when it could have specifically been addressed to the thralls in question who were causing the issues.

But I am holding my action until I talk to two people: the man who owns my collar, and the one who owns the sim. Their answers will determine whether I remain in the village, or sail off for other shores. No one tells me I have no worth. I know my worth. I keep my worth.

And if this person thinks that by sending out a notice, it will be enough to cause my spine to bend and bring me, abased and apologetic, to their boots, they don't know me that well at all. I am not the jealous type, and I know I'm not one of the thralls specifically meant in this instance, but this will not fly with me, and it likely will not fly with others. So discussion must be had, and it may not go well.

(There is a follow-up.)

20 February, 2019

rocket man, burning out his fuse up here alone

Oddity out of nowhere, and I'm keeping the references in to the actual group, this time, because it's relevant.
[11:25] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hey All I have a great Idea there should be a sales group called Wicked Wednesday and it just have BDSM sex Gorean related sale items hmmmmmmm sounds like a great idea right? Some one get on that... thanks..
Meet Mr. D. Named that way because his display name starts with a different letter than his in-world name. Mr. D's kind of a jerk.
[11:25] Emilly Orr: 25L started as a Gorean-merchants-only group.
[11:25] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: laughs that is a good idea, but most of the 25l one is BDSM
[11:26] Emilly Orr: That too
[11:26] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: lol
[11:26] Emilly Orr: Even on weeks where it's tilted largely towards clothing stores, there are collars, there are harnesses, there are camisks, there are cages. So we're sort of already there.
[11:27] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no no they are not they are mostly all modern reg clothing
I don't know where he gets this. I went to the 25L group's Flickr page, and didn't even have to scroll far to find examples. (Note: some of these are NSFW.)

This was a slave bed from Krescendo. Deliciously Bound, who mostly makes fetish gear, put out this merchant sack camisk a bit back. In fact, there's a lot of camisks on offer, nearly every week--like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this...I mean, we all get the idea by now, right?

Then there are the harnesses, like this one, and this fetishy number. And this piece, while not a leather harness, could probably still work.

How about a leather thong for the guys? That was an offering one week. And this fur stole was unisex and modifiable, and it would certainly work with Mr. D's character in Gor. (So would this set of trews and this fur drape for that matter. Or this outfit. Or this sweater.)

There have been some harem girl outfits, some general "Arabian" style outfits like this one, this one and this one, some poses that could easily be used in a bondage setting, and while this is slightly more modern, I could see it on some bondmaid in a tavern dance pit.

How about collars? I remember this one and this one, this one...and there have been others.

And I've seen veils, like this one and this one.

There have been Gorean-appropriate footwear offerings, like these sandals, and these strapped boots. There are also occasionally fur leggings.

And as far as furnishings, this could work in a Gorean setting, it's even in healer's colors. And this hanging bed also could work in Gor. This chair would also be perfectly appropriate in a Gorean home or hall. And there was this cage for slave girls, and every couple of weeks, someone offers up a fur.

This bit of statuary was a reproduction of the "Swords in Stone" monument at Hafrsfjord, Norway.

If he wanted to kidnap a panther girl, there was this.

I remember buying this set, of claw blades, which come in a bloody and clean version. They live in my Hallows folder, but I'm absolutely sure that a sufficiently creative sadist could have made use of them.

There's also been a variety of Free Women gowns--I'm not bothering to link them--and some few 'bond girl' kirtles, like this.

And finally, while this set piece would require some creativity, the ottoman, at least, had appropriate animations for a BDSM scene.

I trust we all get the point by now, right? There are items. There are other items that are available on the 30L and 35L lists. And if you're looking to upscale a little bit, joining the Smooching Serpents group will get you at least one daily "sale" item--just keep in mind their idea of "sale" pricing is usually L$399 for one hour, instead of L$1899. It's still an amazing deal, absolutely, it's just not L$25, L$30, or L$35.

Are there more items made for women than men? Sure. Because there are more women than men in SL. But male items do exist. They are there. And this idiot has managed to miss all of them.
[11:27] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: i wish more creators worked silks and such towards the mesh bodies now
[11:27] Emilly Orr: You haven't been hitting every store, then. But I said 25L STARTED Gorean. They've adapted since to modern, to Victorian, to occasional SF attire.
[11:27] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: they are extremely hard to find
She's talking about silks here, not male items.
[11:28] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sorry if your seeing that stuff please send me those sales list
You're just not looking. And I would have pulled something together, but you're such a jerk I have zero desire to help you.
[11:28] Emilly Orr: They are. I still have to use some flexi panel skirts when I'm wearing silks.
[11:28] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: also 30L has a few BDSM/gor items
[11:28] Emilly Orr: [Dxxxx], Girly's, Luas, Roawenwood just off the top of my head. They're about half BDSM/bondage, half fashion.
[11:29] Emilly Orr: 30L has done the same thing-- they started as purely modern, and have slowly added in furniture stores, and stores that build for fetish.
[11:29] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: am sure if you send a NC to the head of the group they can work out something like that if needed
[11:29] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no they don't they have things that I would not call BDSM they have lil cute things that has a cuddle or something, that No one but maybe some high rise petty boys and girls would own
Are you kidding? So...what you're saying is that it's not that there aren't BDSM and fetish items on the list, it's that they don't fit your narrow, pig-headed definition of "manly" BDSM items? Really?
[11:30] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: chuckles is why i do the kinky event and fetish fair
[11:31] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: maybe you should hit a bdsm event? there's Romp right now
It's a good point. There's generally some bondage-geared event every month in SL, let alone all the wide variety of stores with adult items who cater to the community.
[11:31] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and sure the hell nothing that a Guy that has a measurable amount of testosterone would have
Y'know...usually the guys who say they're entirely made of testosterone are desperately afraid they're gay. Not saying that describes Mr. D, but it's a trend.
[11:32] Emilly Orr: Romp is open now, The Gacha Garden is doing a Fetish round, there's XXX, I think Red Light District is close to opening up again...
[11:32] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: but at Redeux there is Artisan Fantasy with their amazing stuff, and Painfully Divine is offering a spanking bench too :D I am sure there are more things, these are just the two immediately coming to my mind
I was first introduced to Painfully Divine solely as a bondage shop, because of their line of rose-thorn furnishings and collars. They've expanded since then, but I still tend to think of them as BDSM first.

Artisan Fantasy is more just...really good pieces, for landscaping, furnishings, occasional homes, the rare actual outfit...but they do have a line of adult furnishings that are very nice.
[11:32] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: i have a nice littel dungeon along with my capture/rape cellar.... but then i have no testosterone
[11:32] Emilly Orr: Right, I think Kinky's still open too
[11:32] Emilly Orr: Painfully Divine usually shows up in the 30L list, but yeah, nearly everything she makes is geared to BDSM/bondage.
[11:33] Txxxxxx Hxxxxx: I think Painfully Divine is in 25LT :)
[11:33] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: i go and look at each store on the lists and only buy what i may use, im picky but thats just me [11:33] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: she normally is too
[11:33] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: so is roawenwood
Don't get me wrong, all of the sales groups try to bring in 'new blood', so to speak, but there is a core group that shows up on every list. And many of those still tilt towards Gorean and BDSM items, because that's how this list started.
[11:34] Emilly Orr: I am too, I used to hit every store and if I thought I could use it at all, I'd buy it. I'm pickier these days.
[11:34] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: even boxing up and tossing really old stuff my inventory is at 27K
[11:35] Emilly Orr: Don't even. I've been steadily culling since January 2018 and I am only NOW down to 157K
[11:35] Emilly Orr: On the other hand, I know half of that is textures.
[11:35] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: need a texture organizer
[11:39] Emilly Orr: I need to go through them first. I don't want to put anything in an organizer I'm not keeping.
[11:39] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: not sure i have an empty one though
[11:41] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: still say we need things that guys with testosterone would buy not guys with man buns smirks ...... yes yes I am arguing this because I miss annoying [Txxxxxx]
[11:42] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx grabs popcorn to watch
[11:43] sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tosses some butter and pop corn cheese to [Cxxxxx]
[11:43] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: ohh thank you...keep going ill watch *smiles*
[11:43] Cxxxxxx Mxxxxxx: btw very nice to meet you [Dxxxx] Sir
At this point, the conversation trailed off. Also at this point, especially with that side line about him missing irritating a group mod, I pulled Mr. D's profile.

It will surprise no one that he's Gorean, that he's a sadist, that h thinks he's a Dom, that most of his groups are Gorean, that he's the typical "I do what I want/don't go running to my mate if I'm screwing someone else" guy. Now, that doesn't disqualify him for respect, partnered people are allowed to do what they choose to, though my personal opinion is that it's better if their partners know and support their actions. But, it does indicate a general mindset.

Also, he's in all three 'number' groups, with the exception of 55L Thursdays--he's in the 25L group, the 30L group, and the 35L group, so why the hell hasn't he seen this already? I maintain he's just not looking. Or he's dismissing the male items he finds as not being for him, you know a REAL man, instead of some "man bun" wearing sissy.

And please, get real. I've seen Marines in man buns. Hells, I've seen bodybuilders in skirts, so give the hell up. There is no "one way" to define masculinity, and trapping yourself in a box for your gender just isolates you.

Pfft, he sounds like a wannabe anyway.

19 August, 2018

we would sing and dance around, because we know we can't be found (part 2)

(Picking up from the first part:)
[12:55] Emilly Orr: Tastes too good to have rotted, so I vote for alcohol.
[12:58] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hundegutt, go ask Master [Cxxx] if he desires a drink.
[13:00] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: Master [Cxxx]
[13:00] Cxxx Mxx: Yes?
[13:01] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: would Master [Cxxx] enjoy a drink now form this hundergutt
[13:01] Cxxx Mxx: Ale if you would
[13:02] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: yes Master [Cxxx]
He went off and got the ale, and brought it back, and handed it over, and things seemed to be going fine...
[13:04] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: this is your Ale Mr [Cxxx]
[13:05] Cxxx Mxx: Thank you.
...and then he sat on the floor, staring worshipfully up at the DJ. Back to wanting to slap some sense into the boi.
[13:05] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx smiles up at Thor, sprawled on the floor
[Sxxxxxx], at least, was dancing, and had a reason to be on the grass by [Txxx].
[13:05] Cxxx Mxx accepts the ale and takes a swallow
[13:05] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx grins.. watching [Sxxxxxx] dancing
[13:06] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: watches Master [Cxxx] drink and sip his ale
[13:06] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx wraps her hand around the back of [Txxx]'s knee using him for the leverage to stand
[13:06] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: this slave hundegutt hopes that Master [Cxxx] likes his ale
[13:07] Emilly Orr peers over, ponders, and finally sighs.
[13:07] Emilly Orr: Even thralls in this land are strong, Hundegutt.
[13:07] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx looks at Hundegutt
[13:08] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Get back to work, worthless boy!
[13:10] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: worthless boy gets back to work
Better than him sitting at the DJ's feet, waiting for a scrap of any kind of attention.
[13:10] Emilly Orr watches the sheep fly away and wonders if there's something in the water.
[13:10] Emilly Orr: Oh, good, you're back.
[13:11] Cxxx Mxx: Just keeping him away from the fire
Seriously, at that moment, the sheep literally just floated off into the ether, spun around in the sky, then *poof* sheep was back on the ground. Weirdness.
[13:11] Emilly Orr: Oh, was being gently teased about not being at their event in another group, and I was saying I'd have to change out of Viking if I left. Someone IMed me, saying she loves 'historical RP". I tossed her the welcome center lm.
[13:13] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Well done
Because, as has been said, we're still trying to grow the sim.
[13:13] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx wanders over to the bar area and refills his horn, turning back, he raises his horn "Thank you for your hospitality Jarl [Txxx] skál"
[13:13] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: worthless boy watches
[13:14] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Welcome [Vxxxxxx], King of Birka
[13:14] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and Lady [Sxxxx]
[13:14] Vxxxxxxxxxx Vxxxxxx: thank you!
[13:14] Emilly Orr: Welcome to you both
[13:14] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: welcome to the home of Jarl [Rxxxxxxxxx] Master [Vxxxxxx]
I don't know if it'll show up in the published blog, but the spacing in chat was just strange with [ala]'s lines, and seemed to have no earthly purpose I could understand.
[13:14] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx smiles at the newcomer who brushed against her
[13:14] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: There are dance balls over the fire
[13:14] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and in the floor
[13:14] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx waves to [Vxxxxxx] "Heilsa [Vxxxxxx], how are you?"
[13:16] Vxxxxxxxxxx Vxxxxxx: Verið heilir everyone! thanks all for the welcomes!
[13:16] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hundegutt you can still dance too

[13:17] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: Hundegutt thanks my holy my Jarl
Gaaaaah.

At this point, because we had new people, I moved over to one side, closer to [axx], to give them room.
[13:20] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: welcome miss Emily
[13:21] Emilly Orr looks over her shoulder and smiles.
[13:21] Emilly Orr: I have been here since before this dance began, Hundegutt.
[13:22] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: yes i do remember yes so sorry
I won't lie, it was making me twitch, the utter, craven, I-have-no-personality-I-am-just-holes-to-use submissiveness.
[13:22] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Be strict with him
I was trying.
[13:22] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Veridh heillir!
[13:22] Emilly Orr: You also do not need to apologize unless you actually do a wrong to one of us.
[13:22] KA Bouncing Sheep Tip Jar: ŢĥɑʼnĶ ŶδŲ Ŧδɍ ţɦȼ ℒiʼnɗȼʼn ℒℴѵℯ [Sxxxxxx Rxxxx] , îţ îş ℳücĥ Ѧρρяєcîɑţєɗ, ℳÜ∀Ħ ҳღҳღ ;)
[13:23] Cxxx Mxx: Thank you [Sxxxxxx]!
[13:23] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: yes Miss Emilly it understands . it will try not to do anything wrong .....and be good boy
[13:23] Emilly Orr growls.
[13:23] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Welcome, [Bxxxxxx]
[13:23] Emilly Orr: You are not an IT.
[13:24] Sypha (syphabelmont): Vertu Heil, [Bxx]!
[13:24] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hello [Txxxxxxx]
[13:24] Emilly Orr: Welcome, [Bxxxxxx]!
[13:24] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hello [Sxxxx]!
[13:24] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx waves "Heilsa [Bxxxxxx]"
[13:24] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: so sorry Emily if I said a wrong thing
[13:24] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Welcome to Thorvaldshavn, [Bxxxxxx]
[13:25] Vxxxxxxxxxx Vxxxxxx: vertu heil [Bxxxxxx]!
[13:25] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Heil [Vxxxxxx]
[13:25] Cxxx Mxx: Welcome [Bxxxxxx]
[13:25] Emilly Orr sighs a bit.
[13:25] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx whispers: Heilsa [Cxxx]!
[13:26] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Heilsa [Cxxx]!
[13:26] Emilly Orr: You come from a different place, and all cultures should be honored. But here, we are people of the land, of the gods, strong with the forging of the seasons. We are not "it". Not even our livestock we refer to as "it".
[13:27] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx smiles at Emilly, nodding with approval
[13:27] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: "Listen and learn, Hundegutt.."
[13:27] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: yes Emily hundergutt understands
[13:28] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: all life is important
[13:28] Emilly Orr: Good. You are allowed to be a person, here. You are a person.
[13:28] Emilly Orr: Yes.
I was trying, very hard, to keep on the near side of the line of 'instructive criticism', over 'sneering contempt for humiliation's sake', because...I didn't want to help with that. It's not healthy.
[13:28] Emilly Orr: I'm trying, I so want to be snarky. :)
[13:28] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I understand... he yearns for attention..
[13:29] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I kind of feel sorry in a way for him
Me too. Which again, isn't a feeling--at least in me--that brings on major sexy times. Pity just makes me want to wrap [axx] up in a blanket, and offer some hot chocolate, and then go far, far away and never return. Not exactly the best reaction.
[13:29] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Chuckles and pets [Vxxxxxx]'s beard. "- Didn't know you're so great dancer, my King!"
[13:30] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: a person yes a person thank you Emily
[13:30] Emilly Orr smiles
Did I smile because I think [axx] really understood? No, that was one of my social, I-don't-know-what-else-to-say smiles.
[13:31] Emilly Orr: Profile paints something pretty dark. Started off as female, slapped into Gor, then slapped into a BBC club, it sounds like, where he was just another little white slut for black guys.
[13:34] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes, true
[13:36] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: he craves the attention and won't stop putting himself down
[13:36] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: we work around it
And that's the hard part. Look, I am not kink-shaming here. We all get turned on, some of us get turned on by specifics, as long as it's not hurting anyone who's not on board with being hurt, great, fine, go have fun. But. Seeking self-damage goes into the category of "direct harm". And when it's someone seeking to be humiliated, damaged, demeaned, because they think they deserve it, because they really, truly think they're worthless...yeah, that's abusive. Even if they're abusing themselves, it's not right.

Later:
[13:37] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Everyone welcome our friends from Birka, once more
[13:37] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: extend our best hospitality
[13:37] Vxxxxxxxxxx Vxxxxxx: thank you thank you!
[13:37] Emilly Orr: We are honored that you join us in the dance.
[13:38] Cxxx Mxx: Thanks You [Vxxxxxx]!
[13:38] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Remember that Master [Cxxx] works for tips..
[13:38] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: be generous
All DJs do, and all DJs appreciate being tipped for their work. It's not easy.
[13:39] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you all for the kindness! It is a really good dance. Having so much fun!
[13:39] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: welcome to all friends from Birka............. warm welcome to friends of Birka
[13:39] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You're all welcome and welcome to visit our land
[13:39] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you all very much!
[13:41] Emilly Orr: I need to visit the other sims again. I only briefly wandered through.
[13:42] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Jarl [Axxxxxx] is from Viborg.
[13:43] Emilly Orr: Let's see, I know how to get to Gottland, Midgard, Fyn Island, Thingvellir, Dirdal....I'll have to add Birka to the list, then!
[13:44] Emilly Orr: Good thing my Thane owns a ship. :D
[13:44] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: We have a few landmarks to add to our LM giver in the Welcome Center
[13:44] Emilly Orr nods.
[13:44] Emilly Orr: Very good idea.
[13:44] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You're all welcome to visit us in Birka anytime!
[13:44] Emilly Orr: I need to make sure I have the welcome center landmark right, since it moved a bit. And will have to do that all again this winter. :)
He passed me the landmark to Birka.
[13:44] Emilly Orr: Thank you!
[13:45] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx nods
[13:45] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you, Lady [Sxxxx]
[13:45] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: thank you Mistress [Sxxxx]
[13:45] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx smiles
[13:45] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx "Have all the Jarls seen the Bifrost yet?"
[13:45] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm sure King [Vxxxxxx] would be very happy. :)
[13:46] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Nei, not yet
[13:46] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it is impressive work
[13:46] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: links all the sims
[13:46] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes, I saw it
[13:46] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[13:46] KA Bouncing Sheep Tip Jar: Right click and select 'Pay' to tip.
(All funds go to your Host [Cxxx Mxx])
[13:46] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it's a great Idea should generate traffic for everyone
[13:47] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Sure thing.
[13:47] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I love that name, "Bifrost"
[13:47] KA Bouncing Sheep Tip Jar: ŢĥɑʼnĶ ŶδŲ Ŧδɍ ţɦȼ ℒiʼnɗȼʼn ℒℴѵℯ [Txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx] , îţ îş ℳücĥ Ѧρρяєcîɑţєɗ, ℳÜ∀Ħ ҳღҳღ ;)
[13:47] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Rainbow Bridge in Asgaard
[13:47] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the gate in asgard between worlds aye
[13:47] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Also the aurora borealis
[13:48] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx nods
All I'm finding so far is a Bifrost hub group, which is currently invite-only. I may ask for an invite, if I can find a group to ditch, but for right now, it's not an actual place, it seems.
[13:48] Cxxx Mxx: Thanks [Bxxxxxxx]!
[13:48] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: slave Hundegutt listens to the important ones
[13:48] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: NP [Cxxx]!
[13:48] Emilly Orr: Always good.
A bit later on:
[13:56] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Knowledge is powerful, more than money. I also think, as the advice you asked, you must observe more. You can learn lots from nature and people just by observing and meditating on it.
[13:56] sxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ((Sorry!!! Wrong chat))
[13:56] Emilly Orr: But true, nonetheless.
[13:57] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Very!
[13:57] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: [axxxxxxxx pxx] is going to take leave now
[13:57] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you may go, [axx]
[13:57] Emilly Orr: Enjoy the rest of your day, [axx].
Two new arrivals fell in then:
[13:59] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Velkommen, [Vxxxxxxx] and [kxxxxxxx]
[13:59] Emilly Orr: Welcome, [Kxxxxx], [Vxxxxxxx]!
[14:00] kxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Heilsa everyone
[14:00] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx smiles "Heilsa [Vxx], heilsa [kxxxxxxx], how are you both?"
[14:00] Vxxxxxxx Mxxxxxxxxx whispers: Heilsa, everyone
See, that's more what we're used to.

we would sing and dance around, because we know we can't be found (part 1)

60 Linden Weekends is coming BACK! I'm so happy! Well, for some designers, it never left--Carrie's, for instance, never stopped putting up a 60 Linden Weekend item--but it's going to be so lovely having a list again.

In the meantime, there was another Sunday dance at Thorvaldshavn...wherein things were stranger than usual. I should point out I'm anonymizing everyone, because of what's said herein, but...if you know the sims mentioned, well...some of the names may be able to be parsed. I apologize for that.

And, pursuant to previous entries, titled individuals are bolded, but...sim owners aren't. But again, if you know the sims mentioned...

*sighs* This is going to be the most anonymized, least anonymous post I've put out.
[12:34] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Meet [axx], aka Hundegutt, everyone
[12:34] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: he's one of our thralls
[12:35] Cxxx Mxx: Welcome Hundegrutt
[12:35] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: thank you Mr [Cxxx]
[12:35] Emilly Orr: Welcome, [axx].
[12:35] Emilly Orr: Or Hundegutt.
At this point I didn't know what "Hundegutt" meant.
[12:36] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx>: You can get drinks from the barrels for those who want them
[12:36] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: thank you for this one's warm welcome Miss Orr
[12:37] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and you can join the dancing
[12:37] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: have some fun
[12:37] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: yes my Jarl my holy master
It was here that my heart sank. Oh, dear gods. Someone on a Norse sim was referring to someone else as their..."holy" master. I mean, look, strip all the historical recreation out of it, and that would be annoying, but on a tenth century Norse sim? Sure, there are Christian thralls, but they're not held in any high regard, and in the Norse faith, NO ONE is referred to as "holy", not even Odinn. It's just...not done.
[12:40] Cxxx Mxx: Welcome [Axxxxxx]
[12:40] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hey [Cxxx], hey all
[12:40] Emilly Orr: Heil, [Axxxxxx]
[12:40] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: welcome Mister [Cxxx]
[12:41] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Heil [Axxxxxx]
[12:41] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: welcome
[12:41] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Heil [Txxxxxxx], how are you?
[12:41] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you
I'm still learning some of the terminology, because, being American born and raised, I only ever partially mastered one language. I had Spanish for a while, but I let it slip, and I have a few words in Russian, Japanese, German, Latin, French and Mongolian. But nothing like fluency save for English.

"Heil" or "Heilsa" is basically "hello", I'm figuring out, among other things.
[12:41] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm well, how about you
[12:41] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: all good thank you
[12:41] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Everyone, [Axxxxxx] is the Jarl of Viborg
[12:41] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: in the country of the Rus.
[12:42] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: listens like a good hundegutt
[12:42] Emilly Orr: Welcome, then!
[12:42] Emilly Orr: And welcome, [Sxxxxxx]!
[12:42] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx smiles "Thank you"
[12:43] Cxxx Mxx: Welcome [Sxxxxxx]
[12:43] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Sxxxxxx] is our Shaman.. she's a healer and witch
[12:43] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: brought here from Africa
[12:43] Emilly Orr nods.
[12:43] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: welcome Mistress [Sxxxxxx]
[12:43] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: aahh gotcha, i'll keep on her good side then
[12:43] Emilly Orr: I have heard this, I believe this is the first time we have met face to face.
I do need to get in better contact with the local shamaness/Volva/soothsayer population. I feel like a piker.
[12:44] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx smiles and nods "Hello all"
[12:44] Cxxx Mxx: I'm happy to take music reqeusts, Please IM me if there's something you'd like to hear
[12:44] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Dance balls above the fire, [Sxxxxxx]
[12:44] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hey there
[12:44] Emilly Orr: Also, Hundegutt, I will not presume to speak for your master, but I do believe I can say you are welcome to dance, if you wish.
[12:44] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx nods "I intend to dance."
[12:45] axxxxxxxx Axxxx: thank you for inviting this hundegutt
The whole "this hundegutt" thing was starting to bug me, too. I pulled the profile and read through it. Gor. Of course there were large passages on the profile dealing with Gor. I wasn't even surprised. I did IM [rxxxx] about it, though.
[12:45] Emilly Orr: I am not going to slap [axx] and tell her to snap out of it, she'd take it as flirting. But seriously? Where do you FIND these girls??
[12:46] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [axx] is a sissy who glommed onto me at a strip club
[12:46] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't do anything sexual with him..
[12:46] Emilly Orr: So you dragged her home, of course. :)
[12:46] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but he's so subby i
[12:47] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He's decided I'm his Master
I'm not new at the whole D/s, BDSM scene, in any world, but this surprised me. Submissives can do that? As in, that's ridiculous, of course they can't, what the hell?
[12:47] Emilly Orr: Okay, I admit, the pronouns are confusing. Looks (sort of) like a bish boi, but the profile says 'her'
[12:47] Emilly Orr: Well, gosh.
[12:47] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He/she is a sissy boi
Problem is, we are who we say we are in SL. And her profile states female. And--had [axx]'s avatar not been topless--and later, after this, referred to himself as a boy--I would have easily said the avatar was female, too. The face is very femme.

I was very confused.
[12:47] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx grins "I believe someone has spiked my mead, I did not know I had such a talent for dance"
[12:48] Emilly Orr: I don't think it's spiked, I think that's just how it's made, here.
[12:48] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx chuckles "Good mead then"
[12:48] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx laughs
[12:48] Emilly Orr giggles
Meanwhile, in IMs...
[12:48] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and he revels in being publicly humiliation
[12:48] Emilly Orr nods.
[12:48] Emilly Orr: Which is again, why I'm not just going to lash out. He'd like it too much.
[12:48] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Exactly
So...'submissive slut that needs to be used and even abused", that's a quote from [axx]'s profile. She's been "a slave in the public city kennel", "a little mouse of a girl", "just a piece of white meat"...these are all direct quotes. Started in Gor and just kept seeking the lowest point from there.
[12:49] Emilly Orr glances over her shoulder
[12:49] Emilly Orr: Sheep!
[12:49] KA Bouncing Sheep Tip Jar: ŢĥɑʼnĶ ŶδŲ Ŧδɍ ţɦȼ ℒiʼnɗȼʼn ℒℴѵℯ Emilly Orr , îţ îş ℳücĥ Ѧρρяєcîɑţєɗ, ℳÜ∀Ħ ҳღҳღ ;)
[12:49] Emilly Orr: I was wondering when the sheep would wander by
So, the DJ's tip jar is a happily bouncing sheep. I kid you not. It looks exactly like one of the sheep from Wallace and Gromit:



That's not a pic of the tip jar sheep in question, that's just a pic of what it looks like.
[12:49] Sxxxxxx Rxxxx seems a little puzzled, how could it be mead if it were not alcoholic?
And back to IMs.
[12:49] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He/she's a good kid though and he's loyal
[12:49] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I named him hundegutt, dog boy
So...that's what it means.
[12:49] Emilly Orr: I bet he loves that.
[12:49] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He does.. he worships me.. makes me very uncomfortable.
[12:50] Emilly Orr: I imagine it would. I had the idea you're fairly hetero.
[12:50] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm absolutely hetero
Which makes all of this deeply puzzling.
[12:50] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It had better be alcoholic
[12:50] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it was ferment and aged for weeks
[12:50] Emilly Orr: If it's not alcoholic...
[12:50] Emilly Orr ponders
[12:50] axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx tilts his head to the side a little "who has non alcoholic mead?, they should be struck down by Thor"
Really. Meanwhile, back in IMs...
[12:51] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I've told him, I have no sexual interest in you
[12:51] Emilly Orr: Strange that he's so persistent.
[12:52] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't get it either
[12:52] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: any other queer would run off
[12:52] Emilly Orr: I'd think so.
No, I'm not going to give him grief for that. First, he lives (RL) in a very conservative area. Second, 'queer' in a ton of ways does seem to cover [axx]. Third, I've been known, as a card-carrying member of the LGBT community, 'queer' as a descriptive, both of myself and others. So I'm letting that go.
[12:52] Cxxx Mxx: If it didn't become alcoholic, that would probably mean it just rotted.
[12:52] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx nods
I was pondering the mystery of [axx] still.
[12:52] Emilly Orr: Strong-willed under all that subby quailing.
[12:53] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx nods
[12:53] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: He tries to dom me in his requests
[12:53] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't let him get away with it
[12:54] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm too kind, Em.
[12:54] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I bring stray dogs and cats home
[12:54] Emilly Orr smiles.
[12:54] Emilly Orr: You are trying to grow the sim, and you're a perv, and neither's a bad thing. He's just puzzling.
[12:55] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: LOL
[12:55] rxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you got it
What is one to do when someone insists you're the perfect everything? I'm not sure I'd make his choices, but hey, we'll see how it goes.
(We'll move the rest of the dance chat to a second entry, this is getting long.)

15 March, 2015

a full indentured servitude can reflect on one's attitude

A few days ago, someone attempted RP in a freebie/gift group I'm in. It was unclear whether it was a wrong window, as the original author did not reply after the RP passage. There was some initial controversy (uncaptured, I crashed briefly), but this was the rest of the conversation afterwards:

[00:05] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow do people actually criticize?
[00:06] Vxxxxx Bxxxx: or rp in here? lol
[00:10] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: you wouldn't believe it, [vxxxxx].. i've met a person whose entire sl is him acting a character because he's under the impression that his avatar is a seperate entity from himself.
[00:11] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: dude was NEVER out of character


I've met people like that. Actually, I have gentles on my friendslist in SL like that. And the best way to be around them is to accept what they're playing. Because aren't we all playing something in SL? Sure, we, ourselves, may not be playing a specific named character from something else, but I guarantee you, even if you had a programmed-from-your-RL-form-by-scientists-and-engineers mesh body, with a scan of your real face over it (and that actually has happened in SL, for certain corporate ventures), you would still be playing a character, because you behind the screen are not virtual. It took me a long time to actually grasp this; not that I wasn't "real" in SL, but that me playing me was just as much of a "character" as someone actually playing a character.

I admit, I do have an issue when I walk into a store and there are two Batmen, five Supermen and a Wonder Woman with inflatable breasts standing around...but that's mostly because I value originality, not conventionality.

(I have the same issue in Neverwinter, when I go back to Protector's Enclave and see ten elves named Legolas, or eight Drow named Drizz't...The whole Drizz't thing has become a complete joke, no one takes them seriously at this point because there are so, so many of them!

[00:11] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: guess it takes all kinds to make the sl world go around lol
[00:11] Zxx Bxxxxxx: and the Oscar goes to.....
[00:11] Lxxx Txxxxxx: Well, while I would never do that, gotta hand it to him for managing to pull it off.
[00:11] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: that would be immersive RP. not all that unusual actually.


Not really, no. Though it's more rare than it used to be, simply because immersive RP sims are getting thin on the ground.

[00:12] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: omg i hope sl is sepearate cause if it isn't there is a whole lota mean people out there
[00:12] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah ther are quite a few mean ones out there but it is easy to act like that behind a keyboard.


Also true, sadly.

[00:12] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I roll on an RP server in my MMO of choice. And there are a lot of folks that never break character. All of the content and stuff they take as 'real'
[00:13] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: anytime you add a layer of amnesia/anonymity people are much more extreme and likely to act badly
[00:13] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i wouldnt call it immsersive rp, i would say the dude was full on off his rocker.. guy was under the impression that nobody else in sl was a person and we were all just intelligent AIs programmed to be in his single player mode
[00:13] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: i also know ppl in here who take the sl partnership way to seriously


What's too seriously? There are many couples I know who met on SL, became close, and moved in with, or married, each other. (In fact, one of my RL loves, Miss Neome, started as an SL flirtation. She's been with us for five years now, and I look forward to many more to come.)

[00:14] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I just come here to shop, dress my avi up and make my land look nice.
[00:14] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: seen a lots of this kind dudes who thinks we all doll around
[00:14] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't think i could RP.


Not everyone can, and that's not a failing. I won't even say that some people lack imagination to do so, because that's not it. It takes a certain type of mentality to invent a character and roll with what that character would do. Authors, artists, even makers of toys and players of games, all of these contribute to characters to drive their creativity forward, but there are others who are perfectly happy simply being themselves, without the need to play 'what if'. And that's fine.

[00:14] pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: we are all here to be and do as we wish.....just as in RL, we will not always agree on what that is exactly
[00:14] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i've done tons of roleplays, and i'm just so burnt out on it.. lol..


Admittedly, especially if one's style of RP tends towards the intense, it can happen. I freely admit the reason I don't haunt the RP sims these days is that I know now that I tend to get lost in it. I conflate the situation that is happening to the character I'm playing, with what's happening to me as a person. This is not a healthy mindset, and I realize that.

[00:14] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: However Im taking my avi serious enough, I put quite some efforts in her
[00:15] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: I love RP like D&D but I have not been able to wrap my head around RP in secondlife
[00:15] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I greatly enjoy RP. But I keep it on rp sims.
[00:15] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: i miss RP. the last several places i have gone were more about 'discussing' RP and arguing about it than actually DOING it. sighss.


Ouch, that's hard.

[00:15] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah there are lots of places closes too i think.
[00:16] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Some mythical ones i think?


I believe Mystara, was it? Closed recently. Black Veil closed months ago; they had a devoted core staff, but other people just didn't come by with enough frequency to support good storylines or the sim itself. On the Adult end of things, Demon Beast Island closed, though there are hints there's a new sim coming with a similar theme.

[00:16] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: RP is a good way to use all the stuff we have, isn`t it?
[00:17] Lxxx Txxxxxx: Oh man. My alt has so much stuff and I'd change several times a day in the RP sim much to the confusion of some of the other players. xD
[00:18] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: last good RP i did was a green lantern thing.. then the admins got way out of control and gave us times we had to come and guidelines for things we had to say for exposition's sake.. and i just quit because it was getting less like a roleplay and more like acting out somebody's stupid fanfiction


I've been on sims like that. It gets oppressive.

[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: omg i almost got stabbed once in sl for saying sl babies are just prims
[00:19] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: prim babies are creepy.
[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: ikr
[00:19] bxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but they are, unless they're mesh
[00:19] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: if you like them, go you, but i think they're creepy.
[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: and tummy talkers gimmie nightmares


Oh gods, yes. Me too.

[00:20] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: rofl even mesh ones are prims
[00:20] bxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ahaha, tummy talkers, seriously? I have never met an avi with one, I dont want to, ever
[00:20] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: HAHAHAHA. i think i caused someone to seize up once cause i suggested tossing the primbaby on the grill. in all fairness, i was a very hungry Demoness at the time XD
[00:20] Ali Manifesto (alikat.steampunk): I don't mind some tummy talkers, but the ones that spam chat like every 5 minutes, or scream every time you get bumped irk me
[00:20] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i think avatars that have faces like 12 year olds and bodies like 25 year olds is creepy, the reverse is also creepy.
[00:20] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I ran into a few that talked every thirty seconds. That person was muted.
[00:21] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: ok now i am all for gay cples having kids but u wanna talk freeky a man being pregnant and delivering a prim baby
[00:22] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: litteral buttbaby
[00:22] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: o.O


Yeah, that was a bit much.

[00:22] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: Ladies....
[00:22] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: sorry off topic i will stop
[00:23] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: I had a friend that did that. He's an odd duck to be sure.
[00:23] Nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: SL is an amazing platform for hybrid role playing. By hybrid I mean using both your avatar as well as text-based role playing in unison. That being said, however, there's a time and a place for role play and as a role player myself, it's important to know when to go OOC. Not everyone in SL is a role player and we have to be mindful of that. I prefer manual text-based role playing (doing the work yourself, instead of relying on a script to do it for you). Having said all that, let's get back on topic. I can't wait to log onto my PC tomorrow to hunt for freebies. :D
[00:25] Mxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: waht OCC means?
[00:25] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: OOC Vania, and it means "Out of Character"


As in, the separation between "IC"--"in character", as in, playing the chosen character in that RP setting--and "OOC", which is generally indicated in chat by statements surround by (( parentheses )) or {{ brackets }} (depending on that sim's rules for OOC communication).

And today, this happened:

[20:42] Rxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 110/125 .........85/125 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vero%20Modero/246/19/1501
[20:42] fxxxx Rxxxx: shakes head sadly
[20:43] fxxxx Rxxxx: no one from white mans town take you in and care for you?
[20:44] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: is that a racist remark?
[20:45] Emilly Orr: (( No, he mostly plays a First Nations person, I think? ))


Note the OOC parentheses, because I wasn't sure if there'd been a conversation prior to that that I'd missed.

[20:45] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not if it's in rp... chill
[20:45] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: this group is not for RP. Nor is it a place to make racist remarks.
[20:46] Emilly Orr: While it's not generally for RP, it's not a racist remark if it's in character.
[20:46] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it was not in character, it was insulting. The world has enough haters without spreading that s**T in here too
[20:47] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: seriously?
[20:47] Sxxxxx Mxxxxxxxxxxxx: oh good lord!
[20:49] Emilly Orr: You...are taking this far too seriously, I think.


I still do, though nothing on his profile suggested a specifically racist background to First Nations folk, just Union soldiers.

[20:49] Emilly Orr: Which is odd coming from a Confederate vampire, that you're objecting so strongly to a Native American.
[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it's a back story, and I didn't put that in a clothing group for everyone to read, did I?
[20:50] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nicely put Emilly, and way more tactful than what I was thinking *grins*


Thank you. I was trying.

[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I understand RP
[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: this wasn't the place for it
[20:50] Emilly Orr: Public profile. And I'm not saying you're RPing that character *now*, but you're objecting to someone else making an RP comment.
[20:51] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: had you considered it may have been a "wrong window" thing?
[20:51] Sxxxxx Mxxxxxxxxxxxx: it could also have been put into the wrong window -
[20:51] Emilly Orr: What's morbidly amusing me is that [Gxxx Wxxx] hasn't said anything else.
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes, in here yes. On a RP sim, nnope... fair game.
[20:51] Emilly Orr: Yes, exactly.
[20:51] Axxxxx Uxxxxx: Lord have mercy you ever hear of a wrong window blunder? Just shut up, shut the window and get over your damned self already sh*t
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ROFL.... Ok guys. Points made
[20:51] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the fact he hasn't said anything else screams wrong window
[20:51] Emilly Orr: It does.
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yup, most likely.


Probably intended for it to be said in main chat in the sim he's in, and didn't comment further because he was back in local RP.

[20:52] Emilly Orr: But yes, generally, this group is for clothing and MM announcements, which, btw, I tapped, so hopefully they'll lock.
[20:52] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hehehe... yes, please come and slap the boards, I want this one
[20:52] Emilly Orr: And thank you, sir, for conceding the point. You are a gentleman in truth.
[20:52] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx grins
[20:53] hxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what is the male's item now?
[20:53] Emilly Orr: I'm not sure, but they're both in the same color palette of red and black, which is interesting. Perfect for couples?
[20:54] Rxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 118/125 .........95/125 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vero%20Modero/246/19/1501
[20:54] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: um... one of the native outfits funnily enough after all that


Irony.

[20:54] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so the outfit has changed?
[20:54] hxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: black and red? ummmm anyone that is the caste of torturers?
[20:54] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Akmik
[20:54] Emilly Orr: Oh my, is it?
[20:55] Emilly Orr: Well, now, that would be interesting.
[20:55] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the savages didn't have castes
[20:55] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol, but I wouldn't complain
[20:55] Emilly Orr: But if used by a non-savage, it would be attire for a torturer and his kajira?
[20:56] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well could be I guess, but it is classic savage wear, I doubt a civilized free would normally wear it


I don't know much about Gorean castes, because I don't RP in Gor. I know the books, and I have Gorean friends, I know the basics, but I couldn't tell you at a glance the difference between a kajira's silks and a savage woman's silks. Obviously.

But now I'm curious--how many out-of-context RP sessions are going to occur in fashion or freebie groups? Is this a thing now? I'm used to it in Caledon chat, because we're all characters there, really, but not so much in a store group. And obviously, others don't expect it either.

17 June, 2013

crushed and filled with all I found

There's a new horror game from the creators of Slender called "Where Am I"; I lasted two minutes, but I creep out easily these days.

(from the events album)

I found a copy of the first ever Welcome Area, which was first seen on the Natoma sim, in Wonderous.

(from the events album)

The "Newbie Corral" sign amused me greatly.

(from the events album)

Miss? This is PG-rated land.

(from the events album)

Ah, well. I suppose she's mostly covered.

Then Wonderous lagged into the dust, and I lost connection. More later.

28 December, 2010

we don't care about the message or the rules they make

"Admittedly, there’s a chilly thrill in moving with the herd while quietly being tuned in to something dark, complicated, and unknown just beneath the topsoil of popularity."

Patton Oswalt wrote that, and the entire article is brilliant. And eerily feasible. Are we too caught up in pop culture analysis to heed his warnings? Probably. Still worth the time to read.

So, back to reviews.

This was nowhere near the level of the Caverna Obscura/Evie's Closet brouhaha, but some interesting allegations have come to light. Unfortunately, because I can't find other verification, it's pretty much a she said/she also said situation, so ethically, I don't feel like I can do much from the accusation end of things.

What I can do is review the two outfits in question, and to that end, I've finally acquired both of them.

First: Elvenbreath's "Maylea" gown. It only comes in white; well, it says white on the vendor, but what you get is a softly glowing, pale pink and muted red outfit, that flows in a silken, nearly liquid fashion from the hips.

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It's a mix of system layers and prim bits, and it's completely integrated. The only adjustment I did was on the collar piece (shown in the third picture).

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It's definitely fantasy wear; Elvenbreath's main consumers are fae, elves and Gorean women who want to look drop-dead beautiful. And that's not a bad mix to have; as most of the fae designers on the grid know, there's a lot of crossover between fae and Gor (about the same amount as between Gorean Free Women and Victorian ladies, to be truthful; most Free Womens' attire can be worn swimmingly in steampunk and Victorian sims--just remove the veil, perhaps add a hat, and you're good to go).

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The only piece I adjusted was the collar, as said, and truthfully, it didn't even need that much. It's very nearly wearable as is, it just needed to be moved down a fraction of an inch. All in all, it's lovely, elegant, and appropriate for elven soirées to sinuous dancers in Gor, and quite likely beyond. Satin beachwear? Fantastic lingerie? Add some spikes in the right color tones, you have demonic queen; add wings, you might have angel. Very flexible outfit.

(The hair is Deviant Kitties' "Mary" in White. The eyes are Pixeldolls' "Starry-Eyed" in Ruby, no longer available. The skin was a holiday freebie from 2009; don't remember where I got it, because--amusingly--the maker defaults to "newbie_template Linden". The antlers are mine, currently only available on the Marketplace. Yes, yes, I gave in finally; shush.)

Second: Wishbox's "Cassiopeia" in Royal Purple. I thought about getting it in one of their paler tones, but figured, if I'm going to wear this at all, I should get it in a color I'll actually want to wear, and their paler tones just did nothing for me.

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First off, surface impressions. Yes, they have a similar--but by no means exact--scalloped top. Here's the big difference: Wishbox's is prim. Entirely. That was the biggest adjustment on this outfit, frankly, which I'm still not sure I got right. I think I either need to shrink the top or inflate the breasts, not sure which.

(By the way, as an entirely prim top? It clocks in at a sim-punishing 241 prims. This is pretty much just a photo outfit now.)

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The skirt is held on kind of similarly, but not exactly. There are loops, yes, but multiple, not single, and the skirt is more "skirt" and less "silks", because it is a full circle skirt, as opposed to Elvenbreath's multi-panels that expose the wearer from ankle to hip. (The belt for the skirt, though, adds another 167 prims. Yipe.)

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I have to say, though, sim-crushing or not--the primwork is exquisite on this one. It pulls off delicate and feminine while still appearing supportive enough for the weight of the sumptuously textured material hanging from each finely silvered bit of chain. The maker states this is for the "Moon Elf Priestess", and sure, that does explain the crescent moon details, but to be fair, I think anyone fae- or fantasy-inclined could wear this without difficulty.

Well, unless you wanted to move.

Or rez anything in.

My conclusion: they're inspired from the same single source, perchance, be that movie or runway, but they're not inspired directly by each other. Unless I hear otherwise, I don't see evidence of direct copying.

(And I should also add, finishing off, that neither designer has complained; this was an entirely separate occurrence.)

it's just your shadow on the floor

(This section was written on July 11th...) Great. Sat myself down today after oversleeping, and told myself sternly I was not going to log...