earned a black belt in disaster, wound up acting like a jerk

One late afternoon, in horsey chat...

[17:18] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: okay guys, I am hitting a wall what does this coat need?


[17:18] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: plate of food on its back?

That's how this started, inoccuously enough. "I am making this thing, what should I add?" We get these questions from time to time in the Teegle group.

There were some genial replies back and forth, and then...

[17:20] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not sure, think it looks pretty good
[17:24] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Kind of silly for me to try riding a horse

Meet Ms. V, today's antagonist.

[17:25] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Why?
[17:26] kxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxxx: some belly coloring maybe?
[17:26] Vxxxx Mxxxx: being a four on the floor kitty. I can run almost as fast as they can

I mean, that at least makes sense, but the rest of her opinions are pretty much overly hostile, hot garbage...so...

[17:26] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: why is it silly to ride a horse?
[17:27] kxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxxx: i have seen a mouse riding one lul
[17:27] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Not for bipeds. JUst for me
[17:28] kxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxxx: i'd change the hooves color on the horse doe
[17:34] Vxxxx Mxxxx: [Cxxxxx] shows up and everyone drooling at the unicorn leaves. Guess I shouldn't be surprised

Oh, so it's one SPECIFIC unicorn you hate, I get it.

[17:35] Vxxxx Mxxxx: [F*cking] horse/goat

I believe I should mention, Teegle is a PG group. This has certain restrictions. Language is one of them.

[17:35] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Pardon?
[17:36] Vxxxx Mxxxx: You heard me. Overrated horn and tail. Otherwise it's just a frigging horse.

So, Ms. V...why could you use "frigging" there, and not above? Just...lazy?

[17:38] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: ok that isn't nessisary.. we are a community and should respect and respect other people in the community even if we don't care for a certain horse or unicorn
[17:38] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: support and respect8
[17:39] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Sorry, I thought this was a PG group. Wasn't objecting to the opinion, just the word.
[17:40] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Vxxxx], we hear your frustration but comments as such should be kept between individuals...not in this groups chat
[17:40] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Hey I resepct the community. Just like get over the damn virgin thing with unicorns.

We get it. You hate unicorns. One of them was mean to your sister once and stole her pencil during a test. Whatever. Move on.

[17:40] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: We try to take a positive, supportive and helpful fun chat here
[17:40] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: opinions are cool but lets keep it nice and keep the cursing to 0
[17:40] Vxxxx Mxxxx: They aint that special

Still missing the point, she is...

[17:40] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): What [Kxxxxx] said.
[17:40] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: We accept all and respect all.
[17:40] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: agrees with [Nxxx]
[17:41] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: This group is all inclusive, we all have our likes and dislikes...but we all need to be respectful of all.

Even more than most, this group is pretty much aligned around one concept: horse. And seriously, that's it--this company sells gear, horse avatars, and animesh horses, so you can be one or ride one, and...the insane variety of mods for them, plus horse breeds, they and other companies make, really could attract absolutely anyone to the group. You can go completely plain Arabian tan with buff leather tack and never vary, or you could, like me, own the Styx skeletal horse and make it spit green fire from its eyes with bloodied, tattered tack. WIDE VARIETY of interests, is what I'm saying here.

[17:42] Vxxxx Mxxxx: that's cool, just don't expect extra headpats because you're all pure and untainted and all.

What is your issue, Ms. V?

[17:42] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: none expected
[17:43] Vxxxx Mxxxx: [Nxxx] gets it
[17:43] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I kind of live by...You be You...and I'll be Me
[17:43] Vxxxx Mxxxx: That I agree with

Apparently not, you REALLY have a beef against unicorns...

[17:43] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but all need to be respectful to all
[17:44] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and actually, even if we dont get in to it...to still be supportive of it as long as it's legal and not hurting anyone
[17:44] Vxxxx Mxxxx: And when I stop hearing holier than though BS around horned horses, I'll be all in with that
[17:45] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Well, dont be so selective in what your reading

Good advice. Ignored by Ms. V., but good advice.

[17:45] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: I love my unicorns lol
[17:45] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Not sure I've read anything like that in here today
[17:45] Mxxxx Sxxxxx: darn banned list is growing LMAO
[17:45] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Celebrate ppl's differences in taste and style
[17:46] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: makes the world beautiful and interesting
[17:46] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and this is said by a old grumpy set in his ways stubborn man:)
[17:46] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the things I come back too
[17:46] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Unicorns are wonderful. There are great stories about them. Stories that don't invlove some guilt driven mythos about who they have sex with.

Oh, pardon, what is your major psychological complex about unicorns?

[17:47] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: that it does.. I prefer good karma over bad karma any day
[17:47] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Vxxxx], Pg please
[17:47] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Vxxxx] are you sure you are commenting in the right group?
[17:47] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: ok this is me putting my foot down, topic ended~ talk about something else please
[17:47] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You convo doesnt seem to have anything to do with what this group is about?

And Ms. K up there is a mod for the group, so pretty much her word goes. Should've been the end of it, right?

[17:47] Mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Indeed. That is enough.
[17:48] Mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: If you have issues take it to IM Please :)
[17:48] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: \o/
[17:48] Vxxxx Mxxxx: I am pretty sure I am given I'm getting some pretty reasonable if opposing responses
[17:48] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx has to agree with the ladies...your comments are not appropriate for this group.
[17:49] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: mini ponies mini ponies are in my mind super adorable
[17:49] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: so who is excited about the winter classic coming up
[17:49] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I can not wait to see all the paints and appies
[17:49] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and have my pegasus ready to show

People desperately trying to change the topic...

[17:49] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm excited about the upcomming some time soon ride at your sim [Kxxxxx]
[17:49] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: im excited to watch them [Kxxxxx] I can't wait
[17:50] Vxxxx Mxxxx: So Unicorns mating with whom they wish is an unpopular and unacceptable opinion

DID YOU NOT CATCH IT'S A PG GROUP YOU LOON--

[17:50] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: hopefully soon! but yeee i got all my classic entries all put together and ready to go
[17:50] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): HOO boy.
[17:50] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Interesting
[17:50] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: which ones you sign up for [Kxxxx]?
[17:50] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: [vxxxx]. time to stop :) not the chat for that
[17:50] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Fine. On you not me

No, it's pretty much on your pointy little head.

[17:51] nxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Gonna have to mute ya [Vxxxx] if you continue
[17:51] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: im in all the mythics and then the creative for it, just in hand though
[17:51] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Vxxxx], PG means NO mating talk. I can't wait to see what horses you show [Kxxxxx] you always have some really pretty ones
[17:51] Vxxxx Mxxxx: Anyone who wishes to mute me, please do

It's tempting after this. I generally have rules for muting: Attempts at financial fraud, stalking, serious abuse, griefers...this doesn't quality, but boy, she's pushing the envelope.

[17:52] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: aw thanks~ im excited to see what everyone brings to the table really
[17:52] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: *looks at calender*.. I can't wait to see them.. I decided to watch the classics so I can see what it its about.. im more of avisual then someone just telling me
[17:52] Kxxxxx Nxxxxx: did you guys get my nc about reducing your lag for shows? watching or showing
[17:52] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: After the Classics I will be hosting more Western classes, also I did not!
[17:52] lxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxx: I did yes and took preperations
[17:52] wxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I did! Super helpful

Thankfully, things seemed to calm down at that point, thank all the gods, so...I pulled her profile. This is the first part of her SL bio:

"She'd just as likely pop a cap in your gourd as listen to your [bullsh*t]. She's still female though so show you have some balls."

Okay. Guess she's an aggressive little poppet to her core.

And then, in ISC chat:

[17:33] Vxxxx Mxxxx: [Cxxxxx] shows up and everyone droooling at the unicorn leaves.

WHAT. Oh, she did NOT...

[17:35] Axxxxxx Gxxxxxx just got "kevin'd" lol!
[17:56] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Ms. [Vxxxx], do NOT start this here, I swear.
[17:56] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Let. It. Go.

Thankfully, she did, or I would have thrown yet another historic fit in ISC chat, because SERIOUSLY...You don't like a specific horse type. Great. DON'T BE OR BUY THAT HORSE. Problem solved. Move ON!

the lower you go the less that you'll know

Inspirobot is my life. That is all.

Received out of the blue by a friend today:

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I have several questions.

Chiefly, is Ms. Neva a Trump supporter? More to the point, is "RavenglassGreeter4" a bot of hers, or is it a trollbot spawned to cause trouble? I literally cannot tell, save for misspelling "Prokofy"...though now I'm wondering if I'm misspelling her name by saying it's spelled "Prokovy". Now I don't know.

I don't give a damn what you think

[09:44] Axxxx Bxxxxxx: I have a question

How very polite.

[09:44] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: [Axxxx] please ask?
[09:45] Axxxx Bxxxxxx: is there any Skins with appliers for the slink male and female bodies??

I'd highly doubt it, the male Slink body just came out.

[09:45] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: Amaia: yes for the SLINK female bodies, NO to the SLINK male bodies
[09:45] Sxxxxxxx: the slink male body is out?

Just launched today, in fact.

[09:45] Axxxx Bxxxxxx: will there be for the male bodies??
[09:45] Pxxxx Nxxx: if slink is those fake feet i dont want it

Here we meet Miss [Pxxxx], the exceptionally opinionated. Read on.

[09:46] Axxxx Bxxxxxx: yes the slink male is out today...1250 for the body but you need to get the feet and hands seperate

That's going to pinch a little for male devotees for mesh. On the other hand, I'm still unable to afford either Slink feet/hands or a mesh body beyond the Kemono and the Uti 2.0 I have. Still pretty happy with the Kemono, but it still doesn't have a ton of variety for clothing options.

[09:46] Pxxxx Nxxx: its impossible to make colour fit

Yes and no. Thing is, if you can get a skin applier for your mesh parts--be they implants, full bodies, mesh head/hands/feet, whatever--then you can make the skin match pretty well. If you're in my situation, it's never going to be possible, because I haven't found one skin company beyond Lumae that makes appliers in odd tones. And by "odd" I don't mean "goth", I mean blue, or lilac, or Nomine's old constellation skin line, or neko striped. No one is going to make appliers for these things, either, unless they're extremely motivated. I'm resigned to staying mostly human if I want to wear mesh parts.

[09:46] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: [Axxxx]: not in the near future, [Sxxxxx] is very busy with appliers for MESH heads
[09:46] Cxxxxxxxx Jxxx: Yes, the skins have color appliers to match perfect
[09:46] Mxxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx: your sposed to buy a skin applier from your skin store to make the colour "fit" lol

Well, some include the appliers with their skins, some don't. Not all skin makers charge for their appliers, but some do. There's no "wrong" way to offer appliers for mesh parts at the moment.

[09:47] Axxxx Bxxxxxx: okies thank yous Ma'am for answering my questions
[09:47] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: you are very welcome
[09:48] Pxxxx Nxxx: mesh heads?
i must be getting too old in SL
if you wear mesh head your face enoter desnt work
then you are just another stiff doll face in SL

Wau, your spacing is so odd. Also...before the advent of mesh heads, most of us were stiff doll faces in SL. Unless we make a habit of running with a face emoting HUD, and many of us don't, then our faces rarely move anyway. Now, my bigger complaint with most mesh heads have nothing to do with face emotes, it has to do with the sameness of shape and expression. I thought the arrival of mesh meant we'd get more creative, not further ossify. But some of my favorite makers for eyes, skins, clothing, who got into mesh heads, ended up essentially making the same head with different makeups, not different heads with differently-shaped lips, noses, eyes, ears...it's frustrating.

[09:48] Yxxxxxxx Cxxxxx: Slink Visage (the mesh head) has emotion options with it
[09:49] Pxxxx Nxxx: ok
[09:49] Pxxxx Nxxx: but i guess its not free

Nope. Most mesh heads aren't. Don't expect everything to be handed to you on the grid.

[09:49] Yxxxxxxx Cxxxxx: No, its very expensive if you want to keep up with all the mesh components out there.

Very, very true.

[09:49] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: there is a group which has mesh heads as group gifts, but the group is not free to join
[09:50] Pxxxx Nxxx: thats why i keep away from Mesh
the inventors pump the market
and it seems a lot want to be mesh!

"Pump" the market? What does that mean? Are you saying that, simply because they see a market, and capitalize on it, they're exploiting people and artificially manipulating their eomtions, or are you saying they're deliberately overpricing mesh items so that residents will be forced to pay their inflated prices, and they can sit in their vast storage vaults, giggling madly over their virtual wealth?

Either option sounds like Miss [Pxxxx] is insulting all makers of mesh, doesn't it?

[09:50] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: and I don't know if the appliers we have will work with these heads

That's always a potential drawback, yes. Some will, some won't. I've heard stories that TMP body appliers will work with some Maitreya bodies, but I haven't tried it myself. And Omega claims to have all the codes ever for every mesh body out there, so will those work with relatively unknown or new mesh forms? Who knows?

[09:51] Pxxxx Nxxx: if people wasnt so snobbish and waited
[09:51] Pxxxx Nxxx: but lol

"Snobbish"? I don't think that's exactly the word you're looking for...

[09:52] Pxxxx Nxxx: some want coca cola
instead of the low price cola
[09:52] Pxxxx Nxxx: i call it snob behaviour
[09:52] Pxxxx Nxxx: i call it idiotic too
[09:53] Pxxxx Nxxx: because what is the cool thing about it?

That is almost shockingly rude to say in a store group that makes mesh appliers for other bodies, and skins for mesh bodies.

[09:53] Mxxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx: wow.... so rude

I wasn't the only one who thought that, then.

[09:53] Exxx Rxxxxx: I call it to each it's own, :)
[09:53] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah lol, each to their own no?
[09:53] lxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: is this a rant against mesh in general or...?

Maybe it's just a rant? Maybe Miss [Pxxxx] just had a really bad day and had to take it out on someone? I doubt anyone knows exactly why she started ranting madly on mesh in a group that facilitates mesh skinning.

[09:53] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: aren't you doing the same now [Pxxxx]? Thinking you know it best?

She is, most definitely.

[09:53] Sxxxxxxx: welcome to my ignores list [Pxxxx]
[09:53] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no need to call it snobbish
[09:53] Vxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it is close window time
[09:53] Sxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: hello omg i just logged in, whats going on?

Group owner, now chiming in.

[09:54] Pxxxx Nxxx: they dont really care
[09:54] vxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx agrees with [Vxxxxx]
[09:54] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I do't have mesh yet, but I'd like it and I'm certainly not a snob!
[09:54] Pxxxx Nxxx: who can you tell you bought a 2000 L skin?

Anyone you want. Hells, when I was very new in the game, and system skins were far more expensive, a dear client bought me a fatpack of eight skins in varying tones for L$6000. I was completely blown away, and very humbly grateful, but you had best believe I went around telling everyone where I'd gotten the skins--not specifically naming the gentleman in question, but naming the skin maker. Giving out landmarks. Gushing about the details. So hells, yes, people do tell other people where they got their skins from, how much they paid for them, this is not "taboo", guilty information.

[09:54] Pxxxx Nxxx: you can bann me but my option iss clear

It is? Pray tell, what's your option?

[09:54] mxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im not a fan of mesh heads, but i do love my mesh body.. :)
[09:55] Pxxxx Nxxx: but i must admit
i like the skins
[09:55] Pxxxx Nxxx: You do damn well

I'm sure she appreciates your backhanded support.

[09:55] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: Ladies can we drop it? Some like mesh, some don't. Thank God we can all do what we like in SL

Exactly. Plus, this is again a mod asking people to step back from the debate.

[09:55] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Everyone has their own preferences, there's no need to call someone a snob because they spend a lot of time in SL and want to spend money how they see fit haha
[09:55] Pxxxx Nxxx: yes
[09:55] Sxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: we can do and say our opinions, but with nice words
[09:55] Sxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: ty [Pxxxx], now please LETS COOL DOWN! I dont like to have drama here

Again, group owner and the maker of the skins for this particular shop speaking. Miss [Pxxxx] didn't listen, though.

[09:55] Pxxxx Nxxx: i thinkk i did
I'm pretty sure the rest of us thought Miss [Pxxxx] didn't.

[09:55] Axxxxxxxxxxx Fxxxxxxxx: ohh im a money spender
[09:55] Axxxxxxxxxxx Fxxxxxxxx: im a shopping hog
[09:55] Sxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: we can exchange ideas and opinions, but with respect!

At least, we should always try to exchange ideas and opinions with respect and consideration.

[09:56] Rxxxxxxxx Rxxxx: come on ladies, come click the Midnight Mania boards

Again, the moderator is doing her job--trying to turn a conversation that has become divisive into a reason to visit the store, or at least, socialize better in the store's group.

[09:56] Sxxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: anyways how are you Ladies?
[09:56] Mxxxxx Wxxxxxxxxx: polly just sounds like a jealous cheap skate that dosent respect the time or efort skin makers and mesh creators put into their work.... or their right to charge appropriate money for their time either lol
[09:56] lxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: all right, let's move on.
[09:56] Pxxxx Nxxx: i am old
i thing my opinion stands
i respect

If this is Miss [Pxxxx]'s idea of respect, I'd hate to see her version of discourtesy.

[09:56] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yeah, leave it now

I crashed at that point, and decided not to go back onto the grid, so I don't know if this kept going. Maybe Miss [Pxxxx] actually listened for once, and stopped talking, but who knows?