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I am not sure this is an improvement.

Complaints From Out of Nowhere Department, you're up:

[07:12] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: Belle Epoque is cheating

Pardon?

[07:12] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: They advertise a whole outfit but when you get to the store its liek every individual piece of it is 25L
[07:12] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: So you need 200 to make the outfit and it would be 1 color only
[07:13] mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: welcome to sl.
[07:13] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Yeah, they've done that for a while now. Some of the outfits are gorgeous, though, and worth buying piecemeal.
[07:13] dxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes i knoow
[07:13] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: I wqouldn't want to reqard someone so deceptive

But...it's not deceptive? I'm unsure what your complaint is?

[07:13] Dxxx Txxxx: thats how most stores do it
[07:13] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: I saw a male outfit liek that earlier too
[07:14] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I wouldn't say it's deceptive. That makes it sound like a bait and switch, and that's not what Belle Epoque's doing.
[07:14] mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: boats. boats are still sold in one piece.
[07:14] Dxxx Txxxx: no need to complain just dont buy if u dont wanna
[07:15] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: Its not how most stores do it
[07:15] txxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxxx: smart marketing is not being deceptive imo
[07:15] mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: y'know. for the fatpack, it isn't unreasonable.
[07:15] cxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: On a Lark doesn't do it that way

Actually On a Lark, Kitty Creations, many of the 25L Tuesday stores, do it the same way--they'll either have ten dresses on offer, and you're buying each individual color, or they go Belle Epoque's way--buy the skirt and the top separate, or buy the outfit, and the shoes/hat/purse that goes with them. Happens all the time.

[07:16] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: I think its called bait and switch

It's...really not, though.

[07:16] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr) laughs as she starts running the 25L list, and discovers that was one of the outfits she'd earmarked to check.
[07:16] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Actually, On a Lark does that all the time--that's common for them to sell a two-piece set with the tops and the skirts separate.
[07:16] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: And I am not complaining, I am reacting to their tactics, and warning others against them

But again, you are complaining, you're not reacting, and your warning is useless, because it's not what they're doing.

[07:17] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: haven't been there

And now on top of everything else, you're complaining about a store you haven't even been to?! Lady, what is WRONG with you??

[07:17] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 25 Linden deals are the best on SL, other than group gifts, so try to just be thankful that the people and stores that run and participate in this group, have such a wonderful sale list each week :)

To be fair, not wrong. How many other stores routinely throw up something they've spent time creating, and mark it for twenty-five Lindens only?

[07:17] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Okay, so, again, [Zxx-Zxx], the definition of bait and switch is, the ad says come in for this luxury car for a dime, and you get there and the luxury car is one inch long?
[07:17] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): This is not that.
[07:17] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: On a Lark rarely, if ever sell outfits separtly
[07:17] cxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: exactly
[07:17] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): This is an image of a complete outfit, but it's not listed as this is the outfit you get, all in one
[07:18] Dxxx Txxxx: amen lady
[07:19] Kxxx Fxxxxxxxx: I agree, what ever is in the picture ad should be for that price unless a disclaimer is stated on add.. like pieces sold individually
[07:19] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Are there a lot of different outfit pieces? Yeah, and that is kind of disheartening. But On a Lark does this, Jangka does this, other stores--it happens
[07:19] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: I don't know about lark, but Belle Epoque is definitely trying to sucker people, and no, one bad apple doesn't spoil the barrel, but youshould tell people to watch out for a bad apple

Still wrong. They're not trying to sucker people. They're advertising an outfit.

And I don't remember if I mention this later on, but sometime during this conversation, when I was running the stops, I did go to Belle Epoque. Her conclusion that she'd have to pay L$200 for a single color of one outfit? I don't know where she gets that from, because a) there weren't eight pieces that made up each outfit, I think there were four, and b) the fatpack for all the colors was L$400, so...if each color cost L$200 to buy, that fatpack would have been L$1600.

[07:20] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Well, if it's really a deal breaker for you, nothing stops you from *politely* dropping a notecard to the designer. Emphasis on polite.
[07:20] txxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i've never seen it at On a Lark and i have most of her cloths

Don't know what to tell you, I see it a lot. And again, On a Lark? Not engaging in a bait and switch when they do list shoes and dress separate, or gloves and gown. It's just business. It's not even deceptive business.

[07:20] jxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Or maybe try to get them to say "Each Piece Sold Separately" on their ad, so they're aware the fatpack isa vailable as an option

That is a suggestion she could validly make. Doesn't mean the designer behind Epoque has to listen, but she could--again, *POLITELY*--mention that in a notecard.

[07:20] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sent you some Lindens so you'd have enough to get the outfit, just in case, [lxxxxxx] :)

I wouldn't have, that seems like rewarding her for bad behavior.

[07:20] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): Right.
[07:20] Dxxx Txxxx: omg dont buy it if u dont want to
[07:20] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Hope everyone has a beautiful day
[07:20] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): She's done this for a while, but she may not be aware some people would like to know in advance. That's all you need to say.
[07:24] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: I did my part to make people aware

In a really dramatic, overly whiny way. There were better ways even to bring it up here.

[07:24] Axxxx Sxxxx: If something is well made, I am not gonna complain because they are selling the components separately. It's still gonna be a bargain compared to a regular priced item.

And this--because again, four pieces at L$25 each? Versus, say, Moon Elixir, that nearly always has people buy one of up to five pieces to make an outfit, and prices each of those at L$250 or higher? I'd say Epoque's offering an amazing deal.

[07:25] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that makes sense [lxxxxxx]. I was just saying to try to look on the bright side :)
[07:26] Axxxx Sxxxx: There are some creators whose stuff isn't even worth 25L, so I am not going to complain about the people making stuff that is worth buying if they sell it in a couple pieces.
[07:27] Kxxx Fxxxxxxxx: I wish stores would have gift option available on sales items
[07:29] Exxxxxxxx Lxxx: Kitty Creations always has good stuff

And then, for some reason, Ms. C IMed me with the landmark for On a Lark. Which wasn't even the business in question.

[07:20] Emilly Shatner-Orr (emilly.orr): I...know where On a Lark is, but....thanks?
[07:20] cxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oh welcome

I have no idea why she sent me that. It was in the 25L Tuesday hud, anyway.

But my main point is--Ms. E was wrong to call it a bait and switch. It wasn't. It's baffling that she thinks that. And just stating baldly that a business is "cheating" in a group where the designers of the stores listed are members of the group--well, that seems a grand way to be banned from the group, or from that store, or both.