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Ageplay rears its head again! Sort of...

[13:06] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: since when are child avs allowed on adult sims

Yeah, so, I've brought this up before, and there has been a (slight) rule change. Before, if the sim was rated Adult, no child avatar was allowed, period. Sims could be (and were) shut down for this happening. Then the change: AS LONG AS there is no adult furniture or animations WITHIN SIGHT RANGE--and that is specific, that works out to about 30-60 meters for most avatars--of the SL child, OR no Adult activity taking place where that SL child is, SL children can now be on Adult sims.

I know, I know, it's a new world, we're all trying to adapt.

[13:07] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: i thought that was always a no no
[13:07] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: it is up to the sim owner
[13:07] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: its creepy

Oh, I entirely agree. It is very creepy. And, handy tip, if you as an Adult sim owner decide you don't want child avatars on your Adult sim? YOU DON'T HAVE TO. You can say they don't get to come in. Put it down in the land covenant, put it in a notecard that's given out at a main landing spot with the rest of the rules, or just tell SL kids as you're bouncing them into the stratosphere why they're suddenly airborne. Nothing easier.

[13:08] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: No, it's perfectly allowed for child avatars to be on adult simulators. They just must not be near or interact with adult content.
[13:08] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: yes
[13:08] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Lxxxxx] is correct
[13:08] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: or the sim owner's rule
[13:09] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that too but it's hard to police

That's the other complication. Because no sim owner can be watching their sim 100% of the time, 24/7, and never sleep. Estate managers help, but even they have to sleep at some point.

[13:10] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: I remember when the Adult land was opened and it was forbidden.. when did it change.. i may want to rethink sl all together if that is true i cant stand child avs at al and stay on adult sims to be far away from them..

You're not alone, there's a lot of folks who are creeped out by kid avatars. For me, my bias comes directly from having been propositioned, SEVERAL times, by kids in SL, and thank you but no, never going to happen. But reference the rules above. If you stay on Adult sims to remain 'safe' from kids on SL, but you're on an Adult sim with nothing sexual nearby, then yes, kids can traipse through.

[13:10] Emilly Orr: 1. It is technically allowed by the Lindens as long as there is no adult activity taking place, or possible (as in, sex furniture) in their vicinity. 2. That second part makes sim owners verrrrry nervous, so a lot just blanket-ban child avatars from adult sims. 3. It is ALWAYS creepy.
[13:10] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: they got rid of the age verrifcation
[13:10] Emilly Orr: That was about when, yeah.
[13:10] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and they got rid of the Teen SL
[13:11] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: gross

The day they announced Teen Grid and the rest of the grid were merging, a lot of us freaked out completely. I was afraid to date ANYONE for a solid year. I have had one experience, already, where a fellow I'd been dating--and sleeping with--for over a year met up with friends when I was with him, and they wished him happy 17th birthday. I'm still shuddering.

[13:11] Emilly Orr: But also keep in mind, the day Zindra opened, one of the most famous child avatars went. There are pictures of McCann dancing with Lindens. No one said anything.

This is true. I still view McCann with suspicion to this day because AT THAT TIME the rules had not been revised, so she went there with crass disregard to the Terms of Service. And the Lindens didn't care. Those are some STAGGERINGLY bad optics.

You can't trust a child avatar who's that willing to throw aside established rules.

[13:11] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: as someone who is occastionally a child on SL I recommend copious use of your Derender options when around kids

That's also a good thing to keep in mind. Or mark that "Show friends only" setting under World (in Firestorm), and that way you'll only ever see people you know and already trust.

[13:11] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yep, sim/parcel owner can naturally also define their own rules since they have full choice over who resides on their parcel(s), and they have every right to ban whoever they want on whatever ground, but ToS-wise, it's still fine as long as (1.) of what Emilly said holds - no adult activity, no sex furniture, whatever. Also, age verification never had anything to do with child avatars; kid avatars are almost universally played by adults.
[13:11] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: there are famous child avatars?
[13:12] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: yes
[13:12] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yep. Like, uh, Loki.
[13:12] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: weird
[13:12] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: some people use the height meters to keep kids and other small avis out

Yeah, that's always bugged me, because I am not a tall avatar.

[13:12] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Loki Eliot. Escapades is a long running sim that has tons of kids running around and it's even been featured by LL, IIRC.

Leaving his name in because he's a fairly well-known child avatar in SL, and one of the good ones. And yes, this is me talking, the death on all children adult avatar, saying there are good child avatars. I've met them. They really do exist.

[13:12] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: and another that I can think of
[13:13] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And the sim owner runs around as boy.
[13:13] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: well, I was kicked out of a sim for being under 5 ft 10

You aren't the only one.

[13:13] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: but you clearly look like a woman

Doesn't seem to matter to some people.

[13:13] Emilly Orr: Loki's one of the good ones. Jimmy Branagh's a good soul. Marianne McCann, well, she's iffy for me now since she did the Zindra visit.
[13:13] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: and wtf? 5'10?? i am 5'5 irl that is not short

Wellll...technically it counts as short, as "average" for (at least American) adult females is 5'6". I bring this up below, but it is true.

[13:14] mxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yup *paw5* shorties unite. Even as an adult I'm often "too short"
[13:14] Sxxxx Kxxxxxxx: i have a dog av that is that short. but, she is just a dog.
[13:14] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: 5 ft 3 RL and SL
[13:15] pxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Sorry if younger looking avatars are not your thing, but do consider 1. there's always spaces free of them, 2. you have the ability to moderate your own content by derendering/blocking, 3. you can make your own places and make your own rules. And, last but not least, 4. not everything short's a kid, some people just like to be shortstacks, or teeny but adult furry creatures, SL just has unrealistic height expectations. (Which is such a big problem that some SL car manufacturers even started taking action by making their cars scaled to only fit realistically sized avatars....)
[13:15] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: sorry btw to bring this here it just shocked me seeing a kid in an adult sim and them being all its allowed i was taken aback

Yeah. The grid, it be changin'.

[13:15] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: no it was a three year old
[13:17] Exxxxxxxx Mxxxx: my 3 year old av is careful on what sims she goes to
[13:17] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok
[13:18] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i saw u in gay beach

Was this a wrong window? Or are you just being mean to be mean?

[13:18] Cxxxxx Fxxxxxxxxx: I know a lot of people who do the realistic height/appearance thing. There is a big community in SL that does that. But there are some people that I have seen in my time in SL that do the Ageplay as a child and want to get into some kinky stuff that is a nono as far as SL & LL is concerned. SIM owners can set their own rules. People can always report if they are not comfortable for Ageplay questions. But be aware of the realistic height/appearance community.
[13:19] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: onetime i was camming around at my skybox and the guy above me was in his box next to a clearly child av and there was porn on the big screen.. reported that for sure.. but again sorry.. back to shopping chat!
[13:23] nxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx thumbs through her stack of AR's against adult avi's
[13:24] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: whats an ar
[13:24] Nicki (nickipblackburn): Abuse Report
[13:24] Nxxxx Fxxxxxxx: oh
[13:36] Emilly Orr: Technically, 5'5" is short in RL, 5'6" is considered average for females.
[13:37] Rxxxx Mxxxxx: lol i am not even 5 ft in rl

The main upshot of all of this is: if you're an adult who doesn't want to interact with children, if they don't own a store you want things from, derender or block them. Problem solved. If you're a kid who doesn't want to interact with adults, same thing, derender/block. Easy peasy no fuss no muss.

But it is a complicated topic, I do agree.