I see you good, you forced faker

[14:25] Kxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I love you, Caledon.
[14:25] Emilly Orr: We know you do. And Caledon likely loves you back. :)
[14:25] Cxxxxxxxx Xxxxxxx: [Kxxx], you are Caledon!

That's kind of the problem.

More controversy at Vanilla Bae, in the meantime.

[23:19] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Gm all ! I'm totally shocked ! How can be , that Cece Bodysuit makes a Complexity to be over 300K , while every single other outfit is hecking much lower.? That's terrible complexity and must ABSOLUTELY to be lower , because it cause lag as hell ! Thank You ! And yes , not gonna use it,before its fixed !!!

Whoa, whoa whoa. First off, did you not think it would be a better idea to send a notecard with queries on this issue to the maker--or to one of her many, many, customer service representatives? Secondly, do you always use punctuation so haphazardly? I mean, it's just weirdly consistent enough to be intentional, so I'm just baffled.

[23:20] Cxxxxx Pxxxx: what is your complexity without it?
[23:20] Ixxxxx Sxxxxxxx: you sure its that causing it?
[23:20] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: 30K
[23:20] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: without totally 30.195

Okay, I'm tempted to leave this untouched and just mock you, but I'm fairly sure you meant 300K, with the 'without' wearing this piece the closer 30K figure. Instead of saying how horrified you are that it ends up reducing your total complexity by 195, which is what you've implied here by the typo.

[23:20] Cxxxxx Pxxxx: wow
[23:20] Txxxxx Mxxxxx: 0.o
[23:20] Ixxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I doubt its the bodysuit
[23:20] Emilly Orr: That's not possible.

Now, I want to go on record here--I'm wrong. Not in how silly Miss B is sounding by raving this strongly for zero reason in group chat, but in my understanding of mesh. I don't own a lot of mesh outfits with transparent, solid mesh--most of them feature a hem that's a transparent texture over a solid section of the mesh template, for instance. This is not that, and I was wrong. As Vanill points out below.

[23:20] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): Yes it is possible

(And let me further say, I am choosing to leave her comments unaonymized, both because she's on target, and because she does own the business.)

[23:20] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: And i'm not so idiot that i type here without knowing what's my complexity without

No, but you are so 'idiot' not to use proper grammar, punctuation and send off a courteously worded complaint to the maker in private, without just making a scene in group chat. That is pretty 'idiot' if you ask me.

[23:20] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Then you fix it Vanill

Oh, yeah, because she's going to just leap right on correcting an outfit you were so rude to her about.

[23:20] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): cause the net is made of mesh
[23:21] Sxxxxx Rxxxxxx: Sorry , i can confirm that [Bxxxxx] is right
[23:21] Ixxxxx Sxxxxxxx: nah it isnt and instead saying negative in here plz IM the right person for it

That, exactly. Instead, we get...

[23:21] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Vanill , pls fix it

...Miss B utterly ignoring sensible advice in favor of throwing a tantrum.

[23:21] Ixxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I rather not read it in a group
[23:21] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Its pretty detailed i mean it has to be to be that sexy ;)
[23:21] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: And Vanill already confirmed its possible
[23:21] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): I´ll fix it being texture only the next 2 weeks
[23:21] Emilly Orr: Hmm, as I haven't seen the Cece I was assuming it was a solid piece. Adding transparency, yeah...I hate it, but yeah, it could happen.
[23:21] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: with that hecking complexity.? O.o
[23:21] nxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: There is a reason there re demos [Bxxxxx], use them for the future it will help you.
[23:22] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Hell , i know there is demos , i'm not a f*cking idiot

I'm not so sure, but you go on believing that if it makes you feel better.

[23:22] Sxxxxx Rxxxxxx: Farrah , it's from the LB...

Later on, one of the customer service reps makes mention that it's in the store. I went by the day after this chat happened, but Vanill must have already removed the vendor for revision. Here's what I do have, though:



So this is the CeCe bodysuit. As with many of Vanilla Bae's outfits, clicking on them gives the option (if the wearer has chosen that) to allow that portion to be removed. So the cups over the breasts go from mesh-covered fabric to just mesh, for example.

With that much of the outfit being transparent mesh, and not just a texture overlaid on a solid mesh panel, yeah, the complexity would go through the roof. But by the same extension, any details on the body beneath wouldn't be hidden by the clashing that sometimes happens between transparent textures on mesh, and, say, tattoo or clothing layers worn via appliers on the mesh body underneath. An outfit like this, I know my tattoo (tattoo-layer applier) and my, ah, nether details? Let's say that (also tattoo-layer applier) will be preserved as I'd see them on myself, nude. Sometimes, that's a good thing. (Though I have become used to seeing the back tattoo go invisible when I wear lingerie.)

[23:22] Dxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: complexity only affects people running toasters potatoes and tomatoe computers i regularly see people in the high 6 digits low 7 and i have no issues and complexity has absolutely nothing to do with sim lag

Snarky li'l muffin, aren't you? Step aside, this isn't your fight. Also, not everyone a computer the size of the planet to work with.

[23:22] Sxxxxx Rxxxxxx: [Bxxxxx] no need for that.

Never was, but she doesn't care. And she's not done bitching about it.

[23:22] Bxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: But over 300K complexity...Afwul lagmaker

See? She can't just let this go and take the advice of folks who are telling her--in group chat and in private IMs--to take this to notecard.

[23:22] Emilly Orr: Even barring the alpha layers for a mesh body, any transparency in mesh ups the complexities.
[23:22] nxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It is also for sale [Sxxxxx], so there are demos available.
[23:22] Txxxxx Mxxxxx: ok no need to be rude about this just contact vanill and it will be sorted...
[23:23] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Gonna trash that complexity monster ! Its absolutely too high to be used ! Sadly , because its damn sexy !!
[23:23] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: She already said she'd fix it in the next two weeks. How about saying thank you and moving on :D
[23:23] Sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes please in the future please send a notecard of suggestions.
[23:23] Emilly Orr: That would be helpful, yes.

All of that, yes.

[23:23] Sxxxxx Rxxxxxx: as example i wear now the Rayna Bodysuit with heels : 38.000 complexity
[23:23] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: Nah complexity effects everyone your computer can only handle so much even if your computers really good TBF. That said complexity has never been particularly accurate in it's numbers....
[23:23] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: and if you are going to photograph it use the original it photographs gorgeously
[23:24] Sxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: good idea, [Sxx]
[23:25] Dxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: i dont use a viewer thats misbuilt and kills itself if the complexity is to high V3 only Blobs high complexity to a bug thats inherent and cannot be fixed.. i have absolutely no issues in my sim of 80+ avis all in the 400k's ..

Yes, you're perfect and your computer can calculate universal time in 75 billion figures. Shut up, that's not the point.

[23:25] Cxxxxx Pxxxx: complexity doesn't affect me, I have it set at a certain number, higher than that and you are a jelly doll.
[23:25] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: Which is too hight , tbh !!

Let it go.

 [23:26] Cxxxxx Pxxxx: so I wouldn't see that pretty outfit

Well, not necessarily true. Say I have my complexity set at 45K (which I do at the moment, because I'm having computer issues.) This means I see, on average, about one avatar out of every thirty, these days. But, it is then my choice at any time to rez those cut-out figures in. Right-click } More } More } Render } Fully is the command chain for Firestorm, for instance. So would Miss C see the outfit right off the bat, if she had display complexity set as low as mine? Probably not. But could she choose to rez that avatar in and see it that way? Absolutely.

[23:26] Axxxxx Mxxxxxx: Everyone forgets, complexity only affects a viewer and not a sim. If the complexity is higher than your pc can handle then you turn down what is viewed or other people also have their complexity setting adjusted and the world moves on.
[23:26] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: pretty yes,but not even useable with soo high complexity
[23:26] Txxxxx Mxxxxx: moving on.......
[23:26] Bxxxxxx Wxxxxxxxx: trashed it anyways

Great, can we be done then? Move on. Holy gods, you're like a snapping turtle with a broom handle.

[23:26] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: She already said she would fix it, can you please move on

Yes, exactly. Thankfully, conversation drifted at that point, but a few moments later there was this:

[23:28] vxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Bxxxxx], you asked me not to msg you in IM, I have asked you in the past to remain civil in group and not swear and you have yelled at me for providing you simple information. If you need help, please send a NC, the group is not to swear and complain in, we have customer support for issues. Have a great day.

So, great, Miss B's 'idiot' all the time then? Because what level of mental deficient screams about not getting what she wants, and then asks the people who could solve her issue NOT TO TALK TO HER??!? Wonderful...

[23:28] cxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Anyone have a picture of this high complexity suit? I need an excuse to blow more money. :D

See above.

[23:28] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: it's in the lucky letter boards

Also that.

[23:38] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: is that body suit available in other colors or just the green? It's stunning and I want other colors lol [23:38] vxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you hun, its available in all of our 21 colors for sale in the mainstore :)
[23:42] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): For all others, the Cece Bodysuit will be updated at some point being texture net instead of mesh net
[23:42] vxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Honestly mesh net is super pretty
[23:42] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): I´ll have both versions for you in the pack so if you want to use mesh net for pics you can. Just saying
[23:42] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxx: oh phew lol
[23:44] Lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I like the mesh net. You did well with it and we don't have to worry about layers disappearing with it!
[23:44] Vanill A Honi (hopey.honi): Thank you LostToy
[23:45] vxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yep for tats its perfect
[23:45] Emilly Orr: That is the best reason to use mesh net. Those of us who have permanent tattoos.
[23:46] sxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: haha i guess most of us can agree that mesh net is sexier ;) haha

Can be, sure. Until the original comes back with the new 'texture only' fix, I won't know what that actually looks like, but in the meantime, I think I'm going to be paying more attention to the lucky boards at Vanilla Bae, and see if I can win a copy of the CeCe. I'd love to know if Miss B's utter raving lunacy was based on anything with any logical tilt whatsoever, or if she was just having a bad day and decided to scream at everyone for no reason. Time will tell.