I had a different rant in mind today. I mean, November 5th, after all, and I was sent a texture from the Step Up! people asking if they could count on me (they can't) and if I'd participate in the November 5th festivities (I won't). But then something hit the Twisted Thorn Textures group: two rather blatant cases of image infringement, with some quirky little uneasy-making moments behind.
Here in Scaramanga (and what is it with Scaramanga, anyway, this is like the third major texture theft I know of that's been set somewhere in that sim) were where the potential lifts were housed, when last checked; but our internet crashed (RL), so I'm left with the note-taking I managed to do, before I spun off into limbo.
Just some quick keys to this: all box names are in bold but unchanged from what they're actually called. I did not get exact locations of each box before I crashed. I did not send off notecards to the creators. Rosa Rolls is not only listed as the owner of all the texture boxes, but listed as the owner and creator of all the boxes containing premade prims, and sculpted prims.
Rosa Rolls is listed, of course, in orange (I thought it apropos), with all creators barring Lindens or creators of very early free objects in red (people like Gene Replacement and names ending in Linden I've put in blue). And keep in mind this wasn't everyone, this was just what I managed to note down (by arduously opening each box, and scanning the properties on every single texture found within each one) before the crash.
From the North wall:
WOOD TEXTURES FOR FLOORS sc
AXEI Foley creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
HUGE PRIMS SC
Gene Replacement, Charles Fauna, Kayla Stonecutter, goldorak Alonzo creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
26 Egyptian Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
100 high rez asian textures
lex Fitzcarraldo, creator, Rosa Rolls, seller.
491 Building Textures SC
Jeffery Galland, Chrischun Fassbinder, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
57 Greek Roman Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
36 Celtic Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
40 MARBLE TEXTURES, MARBELS SC
Moonlightcsp Klata, Nitro Rutledge, LillyBeth Filth, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
43 brick floors and walls textures / sc
AXEI Foley, madddyyy Schnook, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
38 BUILDING/ JUNGLE TEXTURES. /SC
Lobo1 Oh, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
PLANET TEXTURES sc
Thili Playfair, creator (her freebie planets box that's been around FOREVER); Rosa Rolls, seller (also listed as creator, though the textures inside are different)
26 Egyptian Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
31 Aztec Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
24 Midieval Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
25 Neanderthal Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
13 Japanese Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
9 Indian Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
17 African Textures - SC
Chao Mu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
FLAME FIRE AND LAVA TEXTURES / SC
Leonardoe Murray, Kimsey Brodsky, John & Eric Linden (the standard freebie fires), lex Fitzcarraldo, Jai Nomad (from GNUBie), Thili Playfair (part of one of her free texture sets), Neural Blankes, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
flags of lots of lands! / sc
Kayak Kuu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
BRICKS / STONES FOR OUTSIDE sc
Kyran Nyak, Wednesday Grimm, Jonquille Noir, Bhodi Silverman, newbie_template Linden (from a free pack), lilone Sandgrain, Ebie Debs, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
22 CLOTHING TEMPLATES /sc
Cory Ondrejka (Linden from a free pack), Nica Sunchaser, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
LOT OF GLASS AND BUILDING TEXTURES / SC
Fuzionor Engawa, Gene Jacobs, Cory Ondrejka (Linden from a free pack), jemma Flora, Thili Playfair (from a free pack), Athos Murphy, Ryan Linden, Jai Nomad (from GNUbie store), Nica Sunchaser, creators; Rosa Rollss, seller.
BOX OF WALLS/ WINDOWS sc
Jonquille Noir, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
TEXTURES LOOKING REAL wall floor bricks... SC
Chrischun Fassbinder, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
NEW BOX CLOTHING TEMPLATESGLOVES/KNEE,SOCKS/SLEEVES/PANTS- SC
Kyriakos Collas, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
From the West wall:
GHOTIC / GOTIC BOX 3 sc
Thili Playfair, Kyran Nyak, Aleri Darkes, Jaquelynn Solvang, creators (all from free boxes); Rosa Rolls, seller.
34 EXCELLENT WALL TEXTURES celtic - boxed
Kyran Nyak, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GRAFFITY / ALPHAS, 53 SC
Matrix Brooks, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
BOOKS ALL KIND OFF SC
Dagmon Zhukovsky, Nica Sunchaser, Stinky Queso, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
Decorating Textures (126) SC
Ebie Debs, Jonquille Noir, Kimsey Brodsky, Lumiere Noir, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
FLOOR TILES TEXTURES SC
Chrischun Fassbinder, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
14 NICE WINDOW TEXTURES - BOXED -sc
Car99los Shan, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
rural england textures SC
lex Fitzcarraldo, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
FLAGGS TEXTURES ALL TOGETHER 25 l /SC
Kayak Kuu, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
STUCCO AND PLASTER - TWO WITH WINDOWS IN TEXTURE! /sc
Cory Ondrejka (Linden from a free pack), Stinky Queso, Aleri Darkes, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
LACE TEXTURES / SC
Nica Sunchaser, Jonquille Noir, Chrischun Fassbinder, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
PLANKS WHOLE BOX ONE PRICE sc
Cory Ondrejka (Linden from a free pack), lilone Sandgrain, Jai Nomad (from GNUbie store), creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GHOTIC GOTIC BOX 1 SC
Adama Thetan, Kyran Nyak (from a free box), creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GHOTIC GOTIC BOX 2 SC
Kyran Nyak (from a free box), creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GROUND STONES sc
Chrischun Fassbinder, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
WALL BRICKS SC
Chrischun Fassbinder, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
KITCHEN TEXTURES SC
AXEI Foley, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
X3D TEXTURES-90 HAIR textures!SC
Digit Darkes, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GLASS CHURCH TEXTURES /SC
Jonquille Noir, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
Box 32x32x0.8 HUGE PRIM WITH gardengreen SC
madddyyy Schnook, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GOLD TEXTURES SC
AXEI Foley, madddyyy Schnook, Boogadey Kuu, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
SILVER TEXTURES AND BLING SCRIPTS PACK SC
Boogadey Kuu, Drift Monde, Jonquille Noir, Nyx Divine, SeXXXy Bliss, Jai Nomad, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
TEXTURES FOR HI-FI / TELEVISION SC
AXEI Foley, Jai Nomad, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
CLOCK TEXTURES - all togheter 100 L$ - SC
Lesia McCaw, creator, Rosa Rolls, seller.
ROSE TEXTURES sc
Aleri Darkes, Maxwell Harmison, Jonquille Noir, Zalandria Zaius, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
CAMO TEXTURES /SC
Kyran Nyak, Athos Murphy, Jonquille Noir, Jai Nomad (from the GNUbie store), Thili Playfair (from a free box), Chrischun Fassbinder, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GHOTIC GOTIC BOX 4 SC
Kyran Nyak, Sadoko Tokugawa, Thili Playfair (from a free box), creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
13 Misc Metals textures -* SC
AXEI Foley, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
Wood 2 SC
madddyyy Schnook, creator; Rosa Rolls, seller.
GRASS TEXTURES / sc
Cory Ondrejka (Linden from a free pack), Jai Nomad (from the GNUbie store), Jonquille Noir, lilone Sandgrain, creators; Rosa Rolls, seller.
Now, most of the names on this list--though not all--are creators who--from whatever legal or illegal source, imported textures that have been circulating in free boxes in nearly half of the newcomer welcome areas, as well as the free-build sandboxes. But some of the other names are both intriguing and saddening--someone said they saw Nighty Goodspeed's carved wood texture pack in one of the boxes; Sadako Tokugawa owns her own texture shop;, and LillyBeth Filth owns TRU Textures (and, if I'm not wrong, Jonquille Noir, Nyx Divine, and Drift Monde work for her).
[22:29] Marie Resch: well it's obvious at the very least that they're reselling textures, which is a no no period
[22:30] Marie Resch: this bright flower set over here is matika's
[22:30] Fiona Meads: yeah
[22:30] Fiona Meads: that gall who owns the store seems to be a collector of sorts
[22:31] Marie Resch: so are the ivy textures
So Matika's Textures are in this, too--
[22:39] Wyn Nitely: Fi, I don't think the Lindens take it seriously unless it's the creator complaining.
[22:39] Fiona Meads: youre right.
[22:39] Emilly Orr: They don't. The creator *has* to complain.
Sadly, it's more specific than that--the creator has to file an AR or a cease-and-desist letter via the provisions of the DMCA, and they need the exact location of the violating object in question to do so. It's very, very specific.
[23:15] Wyn Nitely: LillyBeth's things are okay to share, I think.
[23:53] Wyn Nitely: If the Lindens don't act, they can be in trouble in rl, and if they want to keep attracting rl corporations, then they have to follow up, or risk rl publicity that will scare off the sacred cows of corporate money
Actually, the Lindens' hands are bound, to a great extent. They must act, after recieving correct notification; but if they don't receive correct notification, they can't act, period.
[23:53] Fiona Meads: I send him a notecard. If I do not get my money back he might not have a very good day.
[23:53] Wyn Nitely: Fi, that is something you can file an ar on.
[23:54] Fiona Meads: an LM to teh spot where the textures are
[23:54] Fiona Meads: oh I fully intend to
[23:54] Wyn Nitely: at TTT?
[23:54] Fiona Meads: noo at Bleems. he is selling her textures
[23:54] Fiona Meads: the moldings with some others in it
So apparently, there's some TTT textures, as well as others, somewhere in Bleem, too. The road goes ever on...I'll keep you updated.
can you see the means without the end, in the random frantic action that we take?
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Gene Jacobs, IIRC, left SL and set up his stuff as a giant wall-o-freebies - including textures, builds, and other gadgets. I've got the LM somewhere if you need it, just lemme know and I'll drop it off to you next time I'm inworld.
Chrischun Fassbinder wasn't in search last time I looked - this was the guy behind "Mr Lee's Greater Hong Kong" and subject of a blog post by Prok a few weeks ago. No clue if the textures he did were released into the wild or not. *shrugs*
IIRC, the X3D hair textures were released a while back as full freebies on SLX due to other people selling the textures.
(I know, doesn't stop other people selling them, just filling you in on what I know...)
Finally a blog title I recognized! I manage about one every two months. :)
Sphynx,
You're not wrong. Also Thili and Dagmon both went the full-out free texture giveaway.
Personally, I still think it's deeply tacky to box up freebies and sell them; in addition, many of these textures were being sold as no-copy/no-mod/no-transfer, so what's the point? One cannot use a texture one cannot apply freely. (Or if one can, it's measures of difficulty worse.)
How'ver, even subtracting the freebie mavens from the equation, that leaves all the TRU contributors--among them, Filth, Monde and Noir at the least. And there are two other makers I mentioned, in addition to the folks who mentioned Nighty's possible infringing images.
Miss Jameson,
Hee! I've been on an Amanda Palmer kick of late. But that is amusing.
Last I heard, ripping off LillyBeth Filth was a bad idea along the same lines as griefing Flea Bussy. Percursor to a Really Bad Day.
You're not wrong. Similar to griefing Tensai Hilra, save that griefing Tensai will result in a small charred spot on the grid, and very little left.
LillyBeth Filth is notable for the scorched-earth approach in the first place; she is ready and able to file cease-and-desist orders with only slight provocation, and I've rarely heard of her losing. So why would someone risk it? Plus, it's her (which means TRU), plus other TRU artists, and Sadako Textures, and Matika's Textures, Dione's Textures, and last but not least, Pituca FairChang--okay, some of these are smaller shops, but they're still known texture shops and names. Why would a 2006 account mess with so many texture artists like this?
It's baffling.
I actually contacted this seller and requested her remove my textures and warned her if she didn't comply I'd file the appropriate action with linden lab, Lucky for me I saved my psd files for that latex, anyways she messaged back and said she'd purchased them in a reseller box (didn't remember from where) and that she would remove them from all her stores.
Miss Oe,
Bet me it was XStreet. There is so little observation going on there, even less than they're used to be. I'm seriously considering pulling my items from them...save an amazing number of people keep buying my single-Linden texture box...
I wouldn't doubt it, I've had to file several actions via xstreet in the last year or so. Its the never ending circle really...I have been considering the removal of my items from there aswell and am currently looking into slapt, We'll see how it all goes first.
I've had a terrible struggle trying to figure out slapt's system, and had gone into stasis mode, putting off getting old things up there, for putting out new content in world.
It is intriguing that I've asked Miss Rolls for input on this issue--since it's her store, after all--and she hasn't responded to me once. But she has responded to people who have IP rights on the textures she's reselling. I find that interesting.
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