Friday, March 27, 2015

I can't come out to find you, I don't like to go outside

This just happened:

[17:50] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: [Pxxxxx] - do you collect just tea cups or things in tea cups too?

Of course, it started small, as all things do. With a conversation about collecting teacups and things in teacups.

[17:51] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: both [Ixx], as long as it's a teacup.. she'd probably even collect a teacup ride if she could find one in a gacha lol
[17:52] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: lol


Just to be clear, I've decided that, with posts from this particular group, I'm bolding moderators' names. Also, just to be clear, this was conversation captured in between several links to lucky boards and sales at various stores.

[17:52] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx giggles and leans over to [Ixx], "I think she's ignoring us"
[17:53] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: She is probably drooling over her latest one
[17:54] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: oh sorry, was texturing a rack to put them all on!
[17:54] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: ive got snails with teacups on their backs too
[17:55] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: ive got several with plants in them. and some with tea, this latest one has a cake covered in whipped cream


Yes. She collects teacups. Mostly from gachas. Everyone has a hobby. There was more chatter about teacups and gachas, and links were posted in between. But then...

[18:01] Jxxx Rxx: OCD is a condition, not a thing. I'm sorry but it is so often used as a ... ugh .. being meticulous is not at all having the very real condition of OCD.

Okay, I get that, and I frequently have this kneejerk reaction flash when certain topics are discussed. Including OCD. And she isn't entirely out of line, here, but considering what she said later, this is where it started.

[18:02] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: obsessive compulsive, very aware what it is =) when it drives you nuts that something is out of place, or you have to wash a million times. wasn't making light of it, sorry if it seemed that way
[18:02] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: maybe expand the house do you can have a potter room and a who room
[18:03] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: she can't expand the house [Pxxxxxx] cause that would eat into her gacha treasure prims
[18:03] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: or would it be a whoville
[18:03] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: lol
[18:04] Jxxx Rxx: Not saying you aren't. You are just using OCD out of the realism of one with the disorder

Yeah, not exactly. She's using OCD according to her perception of OCD, which is likely from shows like Monk, and others. A lot of people are fixated on sufferers of OCD being only clean freaks and devoted to organization. Not all of us are like that; there are different manifestations of the illness.

Slight derail, but okay, we all accepted and went on with the previous discussion:

[18:04] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: what is the chinese piggy called
[18:04] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: dinner
[18:04] Jxxx Rxx: a fortune cookie
[18:05] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: lol
[18:05] Jxxx Rxx: those things are just fat and nasty


...And there she goes again. So, all pigs are "fat and nasty", or just Chinese pigs, or...there's a lot of things that can be inferred from that statement.

But we tried to get back to chatting, and passing on links:

[18:05] Lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Lucky Piggy is the oriental teacup pig
[18:05] Zxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: someone post some links pls


Oh, hello, a new voice has been added.

[18:06] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: nope dont have that one. cupid, steamy, original, pirate, potter, who, teachers pet, sinful, sundae and .. pork patrol
[18:06] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you can post too [Zxxxxx]
[18:06] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it's a collaborative group
[18:06] Zxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i dont wanna mess with this interesting gacha chat



Ooh, bitchy. That was actually helpful advice, you dolt.

[18:06] Bxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Oo
[18:07] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: [Zxxxxx], if you don't want to post some MM's or something then don't complain about the conversations :)
[18:08] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: ssometimes things are slow and we chat silliness
[18:09] Bxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: actually i thought this chat was FOR finding and sharing links ..
[18:09] Zxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I thought so too [Bxxxx]...
[18:09] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: [Bxxxx], it is also a chat group..
[18:10] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes, you can also do search on your own for links [Bxxxx], i just typed "Shey" on search and guess what the first result was
[18:10] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: if y'all want a group where no one talks, might want to start your own with chat turned off and allow everyone to post notices =)
[18:10] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: logs out and goes to bed before her grumpy gets out of control and she says bad things


Oh, I so understand. Both the urge to say bad things, and the urge to just detach and try not to get into trouble.

[18:10] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: some people just don't want to bother doing their own searches...
[18:10] Bxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oO. duly noted
[18:10] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: And actually, compared to most freebie groups, we're luck that we are allowed to post boards here
[18:10] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i have not been sarcastic once tonight ali :)
[18:10] Jxxx Rxx: The group as far as I knew was for sharing the frees, MM's and lucky boards. Sometimes the chat just takes over
[18:11] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx bangs head on desk and hits the X.... as the grumpiness is taking away the lighthearted mood
[18:11] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: I know [Pxxxxxx], you're doing good, and I think I'm gonna follow [Sxx] and let someone else mod the group cause I'm DJ'ing and don't wanna deal with grumps
[18:11] Jxxx Rxx: Chat is sometimes to much. The group looses purpose.


You mean, "too much", and also "loses". Also, I realize that it's a legitimate complaint--this particular group is very chatty--but as noted, it's chat interspersed with links, gift offers, notes on sales, notes where to find things...It's a multiracial, multispecies chat of shoppers, who share what they find. So really, ANYTHING can show up as links--or in chat.

If that bothers you, Ms. R, find another group that's less talkative.

[18:12] Jxxx Rxx: Sad really
[18:12] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: I disagree
[18:12] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Sad?? that people socialize? O.O


Yeah, no doubt. That's an awfully judgmental thing to say. And I should know--I am a very judgmental person at times.

[18:12] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: I suggest if you have an issue with the chat, Take it to [Axxxxx] :) that's all I'm gonna say..
[18:12] Zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: o.O
[18:12] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: We never lose focus, we sometimes socialize
[18:12] Vxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well it's like this... to post links, people have to FIND links, so if there are not enough for you, go sim searching and find more



Also a helpful tip.

[18:12] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sad that someone is ONLY interested in things and not in people at all
[18:12] Jxxx Rxx: Oh [Axx], I'm sorry. I didn't ask
[18:13] Nxxx Zxxxxxxx: Seems like a lot more chat and a lot less TPs lately lol
[18:13] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: some of us just have adhd and get distracted by shiny things and teacups
[18:13] Jxxx Rxx: Yes [Nxxx]. I agree

You would. [18:13] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: and the ones who are complaining are the ones who rarely post it seems.. really says something.. Goodnight [Dxxxxxx], it's all yours darlin
[18:14] Jxxx Rxx: And that you would also be wrong about [Axx]
[18:14] [Ixxx Fxxxx]: LOL thank so much [Axx] :P
[18:14] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx passes [Dxxxxxx] some tea and a condolance card
[18:14] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: but i want the cup back when youre done
[18:14] mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: omg... do you even realize [Axx] is a mod Jynx? what is wroong with you??
[18:14] Jxxx Rxx: Moderators seriously should not comment on things they aren't all aware of since they themselves aren't on 24/7

Let me repeat that, because I think it's vaguely important: "Moderators seriously should not comment on things they aren't all aware of since they themselves aren't on 24/7."

If you separate that statement out, then she's saying moderators of groups, where they aren't moderating twenty-four hours a day, should never speak. Group moderators. Really? Really??

You're a prejudicial little puffin, Ms. R, and if we bother you that much with our occasional discussions about teacups and breast sizes, mesh bodies and gacha sales, then you should march your counterproductive, discriminatory little tush on down the road and find another group that works better for you. Because you're not contributing anything to this one but disdain and bile.

[18:15] Jxxx Rxx: Thank you [Jxx], does that answer YOUR question?

Yes. You're a spiteful person and you're insulting the mods of the group, which is never a good idea.

[18:16] Jxxx Rxx: I post a great deal as well as tp those who need it after logging in at the end of a post ... so .....
[18:18] [Ixxx Fxxxx]: [Jxxx], everyone has the right to be free and have an opinion, you have yours, [Axxxx] has hers and I have my own! Let's stop here please
[18:21] Jxxx Rxx: Who is [Axxxx]?


Seriously, now you're picking apart peoples' names?!? Gods, you're negative.

[18:21] Cxxxx Rxxxxxxx: personally I am on here mostly for the links, but at times the chat is very interesting. However, for those who are looking for good links, I took down a few over the past few days and I will post some of there here so folks who want to shop can shop while we chat :)
[18:22] Jxxx Rxx: Oh .. sorry ... lol, all us breathers :)
[18:22] Dxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Brains...
[18:22] Dxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Oh, ah, I mean... I'm alive :)
[18:23] [Ixxx Fxxxx]: Jynx, yeah sorry to sometimes I do a mystake or something :)
[18:24] Jxxx Rxx grins. "S'ok."
[18:24] Kxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Jxxx], I get what you mean lol... I have it, diagnosed, and I get pretty offended sometimes, but I let it go.
[18:26] Jxxx Rxx: Ah, yeah. Past that [Sxxxx]. Thanks for support though. Not for me but those I love dearly.
[18:26] [Ixxx Fxxxx]: I asked if I could post here, I'm waiting the answer


I know you're joking, because you're also a mod, but dear gods, YOU CAN POST HERE.

[18:26] Zxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[18:27] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok dorthy sure why not
[18:27] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but just this once ok ??


I thought you were supposed to be going to bed.

[18:28] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: hey, would y'all please tell me how many times an hour I'm allowed to talk without being called an attention whore? Cause evidently I am
[18:28] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: even though I havent chatted for like two weeks
[18:28] Jxxx Rxx: 10 times an hour


Yeah, I don't think you get a vote.

[18:29] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i am not an attention whore i am just ummm nvm

*snerks*

[18:30] Pzzzzz Pxxxxxxxx: Ok, every six mins. setting my timer
[18:31] Jxxx Rxx: lol [Pxxxxx]
[18:31] Sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Who's calling you nasty names [Pxxxxx]! Talk as much as you want! :-)
[18:34] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i am always up for the hunt.. is just the kill that sometimes grosses me out a bit [18:34] Axxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sorry [Pxxxxxx]


And we were off on posting about hunts and store boards again.

Some groups have options for 'quiet' versions and 'talkative' versions. Some don't. If it really crumples your brain to that extent, Ms. R, maybe you should take it up with the group owner and see if you've got enough support for a notices-only group. Otherwise, stop dripping poisonous irritants into our eyes. It's an annoyance.

Monday, March 23, 2015

picking up things we shouldn't read

For those on the grid who prefer a less youthful appearance, it can be difficult to find appropriate holiday attire. DarkDharma aims to fix that, at least partially, with a complete Mrs. Claus avatar. It retails for L$795, which sounds a tad steep, but it includes:


  • the full mesh avatar for Mrs. Claus
  • the full outfit, including sculpted boots
  • mesh hair and mobcap
  • capelet and glasses
  • the alpha layer to make everything work
  • and a detailed, sculpted cookie tray which can be clicked to offer cookies to guests or wandering friends
I won't say it's a steal at that price, but considering everything that's included, it's a reasonable deal.

The above is in a box, because I wrote it--obviously--in December of 2014. How'ver, I recently checked and yes, the avatar is still available on the Marketplace for that price. So my question now is, can it be used for other things? Like, can you dress the base Mrs. Claus avatar up in other mesh clothing? If so, that might well be a good look for the seeking-wrinkles set.

In other news, I'd never heard of hanging bridges before today, and now I'm fascinated.

Wednesday, March 18, 2015

everything here's been wrong too long

While it's far from a new form of discrimination on SL, it's apparently getting rather prevalent again, which is what I didn't know:

[15:37] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: omg :| whats up with so many clubs having minimum heights
[15:37] Txxxx Rxxxxxxx: they are idiots


Well, some, maybe, but I'm more interested in why it's suddenly a thing. I've gone to more mature-content stores in frothy cupcake dresses and been told to change due to my appearance, definitely. I've gone to events and been told to change because I was wearing too many scripts. But if I'm just short and going out to dance at a club? I don't expect it then.

[15:37] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ikr i wanted to make an halfin with big boobs. :(
[15:37] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: halflins are 4.3 damn it to small! lol


I'm assuming Ms. K means "halfling", here, not something closer kin to a Dwarfin? Which admittedly, does strike me as odd as Petites with breast implants, but they make Petite implants, so obviously there's a market for it.

[15:37] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: I have a Kobold and Doll AV

This actually explains some things, I think. Not the Kobold avatar so much, but the doll avatar. Being involved in the doll community in SL has exposed many of us to a great deal of prejudice, especially for the ball-jointed and the porcelain-appearing dolls. Why? The Lolita/EGL wear mostly, combined with the fact that most dolls--whether they're system dolls or mesh-body dolls--are, by and large, short and youthful-looking.

[15:38] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: both iwht big knockers

And there's this. Even if she's wearing a perfect china doll av, with big anime eyes, blonde curls, and a dress that drips white lace, if she has breast implants she is not portraying a child. When will people finally understand that being under seven feet tall doesn't mean we're pretending to be children?!?

[15:38] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: I'm not allowed ANYWHERE

No, if your avatars are generally short, that might be a problem. Because far be it from folks to actually take in specifics of attire, hair and makeup, and presence of implants or mesh body parts before saying, newp, under eight feet, you gotta leave.

[15:38] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: hell my gnome isn't even that short and I can't go anywhere with it
[15:38] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im a love doll whos alive. its awesome the looks i get from women who have guys with them lol


Oookay, in all fairness, this puts you in another category. Depending on what kind of love doll you're playing, it could be that they're reacting to, and just giving you the excuse of the hat. Because there's a big difference between this:


(from a film by Hirokazu Koreeda and Fortissiumo Films called "Air Doll", credit to KPBS)

and this:


(from Iris Ophelia's doll article on NWN in 2011, featuring DOLLCOCO's ball-jointed doll avatar)

[15:39] Txxxx Rxxxxxxx: people have it in their heads that short = child which is not only wrong but annoying and a great way to lose customers

That's the part we've known about for years. Ever since the great virtual-pedophilia scare in the early days of SL, the dolls of SL have taken a hit simply for being dolls.

[15:39] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ikr?
[15:40] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: half the time in sl short = height of a women IRL
[15:40] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: realistically
[15:40] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Bloody 'ell, i have this same debate going on in two groups

And that's maybe the saddest thing in all of this, that it's happening in enough clubs to be a point of contention in more than one group.

[15:41] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Someone is claiming that all content needs to be rebuilt to a "normal" scale

Well, it wouldn't hurt...Things in SL have been freakishly scaled for years.

[15:41] Vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 'Normality' depends upon one's point of view, which makes it objective
[15:41] Vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: One person's "normal" height, can easily be short to another, and tall to a third
[15:44] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: well I mean IRL women are general 5.4
[15:44] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 5.2 here

I believe the average female height, at least in the US, is 5'5" at this point, but that's in the ballpark. While there are many tall women, most women in general are not six feet tall. So many of us do feel that most women in SL shouldn't be nine feet tall.

[15:44] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: it would be nice if everything were to RL height because it uses less prims when mesh is small and makes a smaller area seem larger in my opinion
[15:45] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It is what it is because of camera angle
[15:45] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: penny wrote a nice article in her blog about why it makes sense to make things RL height
[15:45] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: you can change the camera angle though
[15:45] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: You can now

Yes, but you couldn't always, unless you were using a specifically coded device. And that's part of the problem--the fixed position of the camera for so many years predisposed folks in SL to be taller than they really needed to be. And being taller, they needed taller doors, taller homes, taller everything.

[15:45] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: and frankly should
[15:45] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: LLs should permanently change it
[15:45] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: to a more realistic height
[15:45] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: That makes no sense for them to do that

Well, it does and it doesn't. The original camera mapping predisposed folks to be taller; which affected buildings and other structures. But LL by and large didn't build their world; the residents did. The residents made the choices to be taller than perhaps necessary, which created a culture of height in SL for all the years thereafter.

[15:46] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: it does though
[15:46] Bxxxx Bxxxxxx: I just wanna be able to make cute midget AV's with big boobs
[15:46] Txxxx Rxxxxxxx: LL aren't the content creators
[15:46] Vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[15:46] Txxxx Rxxxxxxx: they just maintain the servers and collect the sim rent

Pretty much.

[15:46] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: especially on the level that smaller plots of land will seem larger to buyers

There's that too, which is actually an excellent point. The standard 'intro' land, in many places, is still 512. 512 feels very small if one lives ten feet tall with twelve-foot-high entryways and fifteen-foot-tall rooms. But, if we're building to a five-to-six-foot avatar height, you'd only need, max, six-foot entryways, which would lead to eight- to ten-foot ceilings. Smaller buildings; smaller scales for objects; more land.

[15:46] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: which would make people feel like there getting a better deal for there money tbh

Exactly.

[15:46] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: If you hard reset the camera then most existing content no longer looks right. Do you want to be the one to explain to people that 11 years of content no longer looks right because things are more "normal" now?
[15:47] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: the content still looks fine IMO
[15:47] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: I've already set my camera angle to that height
[15:47] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Maybe it's something they could do for SL2
[15:47] Mxxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxx: it's something they should do for SL2
[15:47] Mxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: But honestly, it's a waste of time to bother doing it for SL


Maybe, but it's still a good idea. Regardless of the appropriateness of changing the culture of height on SL, though, we still don't have a good reason behind the sudden influx of club-based height prejudice. I'll have to dig more, see what turns up.

Sunday, March 15, 2015

a full indentured servitude can reflect on one's attitude

A few days ago, someone attempted RP in a freebie/gift group I'm in. It was unclear whether it was a wrong window, as the original author did not reply after the RP passage. There was some initial controversy (uncaptured, I crashed briefly), but this was the rest of the conversation afterwards:

[00:05] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow do people actually criticize?
[00:06] Vxxxxx Bxxxx: or rp in here? lol
[00:10] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: you wouldn't believe it, [vxxxxx].. i've met a person whose entire sl is him acting a character because he's under the impression that his avatar is a seperate entity from himself.
[00:11] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: dude was NEVER out of character


I've met people like that. Actually, I have gentles on my friendslist in SL like that. And the best way to be around them is to accept what they're playing. Because aren't we all playing something in SL? Sure, we, ourselves, may not be playing a specific named character from something else, but I guarantee you, even if you had a programmed-from-your-RL-form-by-scientists-and-engineers mesh body, with a scan of your real face over it (and that actually has happened in SL, for certain corporate ventures), you would still be playing a character, because you behind the screen are not virtual. It took me a long time to actually grasp this; not that I wasn't "real" in SL, but that me playing me was just as much of a "character" as someone actually playing a character.

I admit, I do have an issue when I walk into a store and there are two Batmen, five Supermen and a Wonder Woman with inflatable breasts standing around...but that's mostly because I value originality, not conventionality.

(I have the same issue in Neverwinter, when I go back to Protector's Enclave and see ten elves named Legolas, or eight Drow named Drizz't...The whole Drizz't thing has become a complete joke, no one takes them seriously at this point because there are so, so many of them!

[00:11] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: guess it takes all kinds to make the sl world go around lol
[00:11] Zxx Bxxxxxx: and the Oscar goes to.....
[00:11] Lxxx Txxxxxx: Well, while I would never do that, gotta hand it to him for managing to pull it off.
[00:11] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: that would be immersive RP. not all that unusual actually.


Not really, no. Though it's more rare than it used to be, simply because immersive RP sims are getting thin on the ground.

[00:12] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: omg i hope sl is sepearate cause if it isn't there is a whole lota mean people out there
[00:12] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah ther are quite a few mean ones out there but it is easy to act like that behind a keyboard.


Also true, sadly.

[00:12] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I roll on an RP server in my MMO of choice. And there are a lot of folks that never break character. All of the content and stuff they take as 'real'
[00:13] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: anytime you add a layer of amnesia/anonymity people are much more extreme and likely to act badly
[00:13] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i wouldnt call it immsersive rp, i would say the dude was full on off his rocker.. guy was under the impression that nobody else in sl was a person and we were all just intelligent AIs programmed to be in his single player mode
[00:13] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: i also know ppl in here who take the sl partnership way to seriously


What's too seriously? There are many couples I know who met on SL, became close, and moved in with, or married, each other. (In fact, one of my RL loves, Miss Neome, started as an SL flirtation. She's been with us for five years now, and I look forward to many more to come.)

[00:14] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I just come here to shop, dress my avi up and make my land look nice.
[00:14] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: seen a lots of this kind dudes who thinks we all doll around
[00:14] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't think i could RP.


Not everyone can, and that's not a failing. I won't even say that some people lack imagination to do so, because that's not it. It takes a certain type of mentality to invent a character and roll with what that character would do. Authors, artists, even makers of toys and players of games, all of these contribute to characters to drive their creativity forward, but there are others who are perfectly happy simply being themselves, without the need to play 'what if'. And that's fine.

[00:14] pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: we are all here to be and do as we wish.....just as in RL, we will not always agree on what that is exactly
[00:14] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i've done tons of roleplays, and i'm just so burnt out on it.. lol..


Admittedly, especially if one's style of RP tends towards the intense, it can happen. I freely admit the reason I don't haunt the RP sims these days is that I know now that I tend to get lost in it. I conflate the situation that is happening to the character I'm playing, with what's happening to me as a person. This is not a healthy mindset, and I realize that.

[00:14] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: However Im taking my avi serious enough, I put quite some efforts in her
[00:15] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: I love RP like D&D but I have not been able to wrap my head around RP in secondlife
[00:15] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I greatly enjoy RP. But I keep it on rp sims.
[00:15] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: i miss RP. the last several places i have gone were more about 'discussing' RP and arguing about it than actually DOING it. sighss.


Ouch, that's hard.

[00:15] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah there are lots of places closes too i think.
[00:16] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Some mythical ones i think?


I believe Mystara, was it? Closed recently. Black Veil closed months ago; they had a devoted core staff, but other people just didn't come by with enough frequency to support good storylines or the sim itself. On the Adult end of things, Demon Beast Island closed, though there are hints there's a new sim coming with a similar theme.

[00:16] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: RP is a good way to use all the stuff we have, isn`t it?
[00:17] Lxxx Txxxxxx: Oh man. My alt has so much stuff and I'd change several times a day in the RP sim much to the confusion of some of the other players. xD
[00:18] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: last good RP i did was a green lantern thing.. then the admins got way out of control and gave us times we had to come and guidelines for things we had to say for exposition's sake.. and i just quit because it was getting less like a roleplay and more like acting out somebody's stupid fanfiction


I've been on sims like that. It gets oppressive.

[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: omg i almost got stabbed once in sl for saying sl babies are just prims
[00:19] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: prim babies are creepy.
[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: ikr
[00:19] bxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but they are, unless they're mesh
[00:19] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: if you like them, go you, but i think they're creepy.
[00:19] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: and tummy talkers gimmie nightmares


Oh gods, yes. Me too.

[00:20] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: rofl even mesh ones are prims
[00:20] bxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ahaha, tummy talkers, seriously? I have never met an avi with one, I dont want to, ever
[00:20] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: HAHAHAHA. i think i caused someone to seize up once cause i suggested tossing the primbaby on the grill. in all fairness, i was a very hungry Demoness at the time XD
[00:20] Ali Manifesto (alikat.steampunk): I don't mind some tummy talkers, but the ones that spam chat like every 5 minutes, or scream every time you get bumped irk me
[00:20] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: i think avatars that have faces like 12 year olds and bodies like 25 year olds is creepy, the reverse is also creepy.
[00:20] Lxxx Txxxxxx: I ran into a few that talked every thirty seconds. That person was muted.
[00:21] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: ok now i am all for gay cples having kids but u wanna talk freeky a man being pregnant and delivering a prim baby
[00:22] rxxxxxx Bxxxxxxxxx: litteral buttbaby
[00:22] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: o.O


Yeah, that was a bit much.

[00:22] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: Ladies....
[00:22] Bxxxxxx Axxxxx: sorry off topic i will stop
[00:23] Ixxxxxx Txxxxxx: I had a friend that did that. He's an odd duck to be sure.
[00:23] Nxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: SL is an amazing platform for hybrid role playing. By hybrid I mean using both your avatar as well as text-based role playing in unison. That being said, however, there's a time and a place for role play and as a role player myself, it's important to know when to go OOC. Not everyone in SL is a role player and we have to be mindful of that. I prefer manual text-based role playing (doing the work yourself, instead of relying on a script to do it for you). Having said all that, let's get back on topic. I can't wait to log onto my PC tomorrow to hunt for freebies. :D
[00:25] Mxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: waht OCC means?
[00:25] Axxxxx Sxxxxxxxx: OOC Vania, and it means "Out of Character"


As in, the separation between "IC"--"in character", as in, playing the chosen character in that RP setting--and "OOC", which is generally indicated in chat by statements surround by (( parentheses )) or {{ brackets }} (depending on that sim's rules for OOC communication).

And today, this happened:

[20:42] Rxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 110/125 .........85/125 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vero%20Modero/246/19/1501
[20:42] fxxxx Rxxxx: shakes head sadly
[20:43] fxxxx Rxxxx: no one from white mans town take you in and care for you?
[20:44] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: is that a racist remark?
[20:45] Emilly Orr: (( No, he mostly plays a First Nations person, I think? ))


Note the OOC parentheses, because I wasn't sure if there'd been a conversation prior to that that I'd missed.

[20:45] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not if it's in rp... chill
[20:45] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: this group is not for RP. Nor is it a place to make racist remarks.
[20:46] Emilly Orr: While it's not generally for RP, it's not a racist remark if it's in character.
[20:46] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it was not in character, it was insulting. The world has enough haters without spreading that s**T in here too
[20:47] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: seriously?
[20:47] Sxxxxx Mxxxxxxxxxxxx: oh good lord!
[20:49] Emilly Orr: You...are taking this far too seriously, I think.


I still do, though nothing on his profile suggested a specifically racist background to First Nations folk, just Union soldiers.

[20:49] Emilly Orr: Which is odd coming from a Confederate vampire, that you're objecting so strongly to a Native American.
[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: it's a back story, and I didn't put that in a clothing group for everyone to read, did I?
[20:50] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: nicely put Emilly, and way more tactful than what I was thinking *grins*


Thank you. I was trying.

[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I understand RP
[20:50] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: this wasn't the place for it
[20:50] Emilly Orr: Public profile. And I'm not saying you're RPing that character *now*, but you're objecting to someone else making an RP comment.
[20:51] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: had you considered it may have been a "wrong window" thing?
[20:51] Sxxxxx Mxxxxxxxxxxxx: it could also have been put into the wrong window -
[20:51] Emilly Orr: What's morbidly amusing me is that [Gxxx Wxxx] hasn't said anything else.
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes, in here yes. On a RP sim, nnope... fair game.
[20:51] Emilly Orr: Yes, exactly.
[20:51] Axxxxx Uxxxxx: Lord have mercy you ever hear of a wrong window blunder? Just shut up, shut the window and get over your damned self already sh*t
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ROFL.... Ok guys. Points made
[20:51] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the fact he hasn't said anything else screams wrong window
[20:51] Emilly Orr: It does.
[20:51] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yup, most likely.


Probably intended for it to be said in main chat in the sim he's in, and didn't comment further because he was back in local RP.

[20:52] Emilly Orr: But yes, generally, this group is for clothing and MM announcements, which, btw, I tapped, so hopefully they'll lock.
[20:52] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hehehe... yes, please come and slap the boards, I want this one
[20:52] Emilly Orr: And thank you, sir, for conceding the point. You are a gentleman in truth.
[20:52] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx grins
[20:53] hxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what is the male's item now?
[20:53] Emilly Orr: I'm not sure, but they're both in the same color palette of red and black, which is interesting. Perfect for couples?
[20:54] Rxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: 118/125 .........95/125 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vero%20Modero/246/19/1501
[20:54] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: um... one of the native outfits funnily enough after all that


Irony.

[20:54] rxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: so the outfit has changed?
[20:54] hxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: black and red? ummmm anyone that is the caste of torturers?
[20:54] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Akmik
[20:54] Emilly Orr: Oh my, is it?
[20:55] Emilly Orr: Well, now, that would be interesting.
[20:55] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the savages didn't have castes
[20:55] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol, but I wouldn't complain
[20:55] Emilly Orr: But if used by a non-savage, it would be attire for a torturer and his kajira?
[20:56] Bxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well could be I guess, but it is classic savage wear, I doubt a civilized free would normally wear it


I don't know much about Gorean castes, because I don't RP in Gor. I know the books, and I have Gorean friends, I know the basics, but I couldn't tell you at a glance the difference between a kajira's silks and a savage woman's silks. Obviously.

But now I'm curious--how many out-of-context RP sessions are going to occur in fashion or freebie groups? Is this a thing now? I'm used to it in Caledon chat, because we're all characters there, really, but not so much in a store group. And obviously, others don't expect it either.

Wednesday, March 11, 2015

some do magic and some do harm

Thought I'd post what amounts to a warning, since it's been seen everywhere this week:

[17:02] ixxxx Rxxxxxxx: ***CLOSING SALE MY STORE ALL OUTFIT 3L$!!! ( fullperms mesh HD quality creation male and female, texturized and ready to use and resell vendor included!!) http://marketplacesecondlife.4rog.in/[deleting the rest but leaving the first bit so you get the idea]
[17:02] Txxxxx Txxxxx: SCAM
[17:02] lxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its a scam dont do it
[17:02] Axxxxxxxx Gxxxxxxxxxx: mhm
[17:02] Sxxxx Gxxxxxxxx: o.o
[17:02] Txxxxx Txxxxx: SCAM SCAM SCAM
[17:02] Axxxxxxxx Gxxxxxxxxxx: the url is wrong, DONT click that, just ban the person
[17:02] Ixx Cxxxxxxx: thank you
[17:03] Sxxxx Gxxxxxxxx: tytyty
[17:03] jxxxxxxxx Sxxxxx: omg was about to click on the link.. thankyou for the quick response
[17:03] sxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxxxx: damn was wondering cause i like that store

What store?!? That was a scam marketplace link, designed to steal your info and empty your accounts (RL at least, if not SL) if you buy anything there. So what store?!?

[17:03] mxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: IKR!
[17:03] Sxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ty blocked.
[17:03] Cxxxx Exxxxxx: wow ty
[17:04] Axxxxxxxx Gxxxxxxxxxx: ill file a report with LL as well. if you got a minute, do the same and they can block the account


And many, many reports on the person were sent to LL.

Later, in another group:

[17:04] ixxxx Rxxxxxxx: ***CLOSING SALE MY STORE ALL OUTFIT 3L$!!! ( fullperms mesh HD quality creation male and female, texturized and ready to use and resell vendor included!!) http://marketplacesecondlife.4rog.in/[deleting the rest, but it was the EXACT SAME LINK]
[17:04] Vxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: now THAT is a bad url, lol
[17:05] Mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: ugh.... scam.... I'm sure you all are smart enough not to click on that link
[17:08] yxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes this new PHISHING attempt is turning since a few days
[17:08] Mxxxxxxxxx Nxxx: it's actually not new ...they have used it many times, [Yxxx] =D

Yeah, it's far from new. The sad thing is people are still clicking these links. Gentles, listen, if it doesn't look like a marketplace link, IT IS NOT A MARKETPLACE LINK, so DON'T CLICK IT.

I haven't seen it today, which is good; it may mean that account has already been banned. But I'm sure, like gold spammers in MMOs, another phishing attempt will pop up, another day. And the cycle of theft and deception goes on...

Monday, March 9, 2015

so much for the afterglow

So this just hit one of my groups:

[00:45] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hello
[00:45] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Mxxxxxxxxx Cxxxxxx] is a poisonous bitch defaming her ex partner: Guys that beat their wives should be hung. yeah [Sxxx]. you.
[00:45] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: She is trouble
[00:46] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: huh??
[00:46] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thats in her profile
[00:46] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: wrong chat?
[00:46] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx:
[[link omitted because it's a vile fouth-mouthed excuse for "journalism", SL or otherwise]]
[00:46] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: write chat
[00:46] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Dxxxxx], no outside links. Only mods can post outside links
[00:47] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: why do you need to post that crap here?
[00:47] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Dxxxxx], please do not talk about other people in the group like that. If you have any comments about person, IM the person in question, do not talk about them in group chat. Thanks
[00:48] Mxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thank you [Axxxx]


So...I did some checking, since I have the names, and the edited chat won't show them.

Ms. C does, in fact, quote this from her profile:
Some people are like herpes... they just keep coming back as a painful reminder of a bad decision that should have never happened

Guys that beat their wives should be hung. yeah [Sxxx]. you.
Having no idea who her ex-partner is, that's pretty much the end of my curiosity there.

But I looked up Mssr. D:



And...that's it. That's his profile page (edited to remove UUID and the rest of his name). There's nothing on his profile, he's all of one day old, and he randomly appears in chat--in which, yes, I checked, Ms. C. is in fact a member--just to annoy her out of the blue. So...is this Mr. [Sxxx] back to harass Ms. C, or just a busybody who knows [Sxxx], and either way, why rant about either on a freebie group?!?

People confuse me.

Sunday, March 1, 2015

then again the same old story

[Zone] ExperMurdeR@apranax186: zen zen place to buy our man I did not have pulled back zener bought
[Zone] ExperMurdeR@apranax186: zen zen place to buy our man I did not have pulled back zener bought
[Zone] ExperMurdeR@apranax186: zen zen place to buy our man I did not have pulled back zener bought
[Zone] ExperMurdeR@apranax186: zen zen place to buy our man I did not have pulled back zener bought
[Zone] Evil She Demon@Badname86421: my god we get it someone taught you to cut and paste


Seriously, I'm used to this kind of nonsense happening in SL group chat, not Neverwinter.

[Zone] Renshai@therenshai: that's up and enter, same idea different keys
[Zone] Evil She Demon@Badname86421: lol only way to learn is to try
[Zone] Renshai@therenshai: his engrish gets a little more comprehendable each time, maybe eventually we'll be able to get wtf he means


I highly doubt it.

Then, a few minutes ago...

[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: the name moonshae druid doesnt make me picture a lepercon....js
[Zone] Phantasma@sheer13: Leprechaun ...gez
[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: what is gez?
[Zone] Phantasma@sheer13: lol thats geez
[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: which is short for?


Seriously?

[Zone] Phantasma@sheer13: jesus H christ
[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: so dont be givin me crap bout spellin mister


Why not? It's obvious you can't spell.

Of course, that is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel, in your case...

[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: its jes
[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: id accept jees


Why? "Geez" is an approximation of the sound said in a certain language; it's also commonly spelled "jeez" or, rarely, "geeze", and it's been in at least North American use since 1923.

"Jes", on the other hand...has not.

[Zone] Phantasma@sheer13: geez is a slang...leprechaun is not

Nope. Leprechaun comes from the Irish Gaelic, leipreach√°n, and has been in use since at least the fifteenth century, if not earlier.

[Zone] Phantasma@sheer13: and wasnt intending bad time

Though I will note, it is nice that Phantasma followed that up with graciously detaching from the conversation.

[Zone] Stacee Frostshield@quispeez21: me nirther

*twitch* You're not helping, Stacee. Just stop.

creep up and suddenly I found myself

Mornings do not make us moral. This is good to know.

Americans like to drink bad coffee? I'm not entirely sure their conclusion is correct. I do think that Americans--and busy people, worldwide, who feel stressed by the pressures of work and getting everything necessary done in one day--deeply value convenience. One can have convenience without reducing quality; one just has to pay more to get it. When the Keurig machines launched, they were very expensive--but very convenient.

[12:26] dxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: random IM stats normal, hi, then like a whole rant about how women are players worse then men and a demand for an explanation of what would be the roll of women in the future... that is a new level of weird. I don't even know this guy. was just shopping x.x
[12:27] gxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: how about the "men's right's" groups?
[12:28] Emilly Orr: So seriously, just 'hi' and then 'women all suck'? That's a man with issues.
[12:29] dxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah and at some point when I answered that I don't represent the whole of women kind and not their leader, he said I'm lost... lol huh?


No clue. Some people really have issues. Though she still doesn't know why this random moment happened.

Something to be aware of, in these latter days of gaming on SL: where do you live? This is now an important question, because yes, at least one confirmed person was banned whose typist lived in Florida, for attending a concert that was in a club on a gaming sim. By law, the Lab WILL track IPs to remain in compliance with the strictures.

This shouldn't apply to the internationals, but if you're in the US, and you live in one of these states:

ArizonaArkansas
DelawareFlorida
KentuckyLouisiana
MarylandSouth Carolina
South DakotaTennessee

KNOW WHERE YOU'RE PORTING BEFORE YOU GO. It could mean your account.

Finally, the Twisted Spring hunt has been delayed. If you've been having a problem finding the cube, it may not only be that it's semi-transparent--it may be that it's just plain not there. Due to a variety of issues, the Spring hunt is starting on March 5th.

Thursday, February 26, 2015

you're the broken glass in the morning light

So, Bandai Games is releasing a new Soul Calibur game for the Playstation console. Which I thought was grand news, until I heard that they'd hired Yamatogawa, an artist of hentai (erotic) manga to design new armor. And, well...it shows:



That's the front. Here's the back:



And both are shown on Ivy. Want to see it in motion? It doesn't quite push over the line of NSFW, but it comes excruciatingly close at times:



because it's not just on Ivy in the game. It's also an armor drop for Amy. Who normally looks like this:



She's nearly always been seen portrayed as very young--either in a typical Japanese schoolgirl's outfit, or--as seen here--in a frothy black lace Lolita confection, with bouncy rag curls. And that's mostly how we're used to seeing her. Until this game:



which just looks...well, it's the definition of wrong in the video above, seriously.

Now, a friend tracked down Yamatogawa's original concept art for the armor:



(which you can see full-size here) which, he thinks now, is Yamatogawa's attempt to make armor that looks like the Soul Edge sword itself. He dug up this image for me:



of Nightmare, with the token sword, and I can see it, because at least in the concept art, it's easy to match up edges, fangs and the eye. But, and I think this is an important but, the armor behind that sword? Is full coverage.

Because it's on a man.

It's 2015, should we still have to be fighting these battles to play games? Why aren't there other options? Have they just completely given up and the next Soul Calibur game will feature finishing moves with active penetration? Why do this??

Sunday, February 22, 2015

never let a bad day be enough to go and talk you into giving up

Started in the middle of something, as per usual...

[18:50] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: what is the point of boobs and asses as big as people wear them
[18:50] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I just dont even get it


Can we say, "here we go again"?

[18:50] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Maybe they like them
[18:50] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: or maybe they look that way in real life
[18:50] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[18:50] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: DOUBTFUL
[18:51] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not that many
[18:51] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: maybe a few MIGHT


I'll go on record as saying I don't like Miss T, here. She's allowed to hold the opinion, I know I've said similar things, but for the most part I say it about people wandering around Caledon, or on PG shopping sims wearing below the bare minimum. Still, because of where this goes, I thought I'd post it, because this is not just a case of 'how can they wear that', but a judgement on an entirely presumed lifestyle.

[18:51] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: [Txxxx], you are not alone in that puzzlement. lol
[18:51] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxxx: a lot of people think that's what is sexy lol
[18:51] cxxxx Kxxxxx: don't let people bully you


Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But the flip side of that is everyone is also entitled to react to that opinion. And if people don't like your opinions, they're allowed to say that too. (I'd offer my own blog up as a prime example of that; I've made more enemies than friends, because I have made, and likely will continue to make in the future, harsh judgments of attire, texture, and shape.)

[18:51] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: different folks different stroke I am sure plenty of people in SL wouldn't understand why at times I run around as a femboi
[18:51] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: I think some of the extremes of SL are like my SL extremes... womething I wish I could do without repercussions that I do not desire to have any part of
[18:51] Ixxxxxxx Jxxxxxxxxx: to each their own...i like me, but others may not...it's what makes YOU happy
[18:51] bxxxxx Cxxxxxx: well it's your SL you are entitled to do what you please


Well, within limits, there are rules of behavior after all...but those are for the most part tailored to RL criminal acts which are not allowed.

[18:51] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its freakish.. and im no architect but ankles that small? Im sorry ... structurally unsound
[18:52] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Um freakish?


And here the judgment starts in full effect. All right, I've done this too, I own it, I take responsibility for it--I firmly believe that if you're going to have prim feet and/or shoes, for the love of all gods please match the skin tone, and please adjust the ankle to the same width as the leg itself. Because otherwise it looks like one is trying to walk on artificially severed appendages, and...that's just disturbing.

But that's not what she means here, is it? The ankles are an afterthought. What she's saying is that very large breasts, whether or not they have "natural" sag or bounce, are of themselves a freakish addition, like having eight legs or a parasitic twin. And saying things are "freaky" or "freakish" is still common parlance, but at one time it meant something very specific: extra limbs, extra heads, extra fingers and toes. Things beyond the normal experience, people who were not "as us"--or at least, as the typical country or city folk the freakshows played to.

Traveling carnivals also had rides, food stands, games of chance, dancers, sword swallowers, magicians--but there were many people in the US and abroad for whom being a full-time "freak" was their occupation. Now it's 2015, and we've been told over and over, these are just 'extras', these are just genetic "mistakes", maybe, it happens when cells divide...but now large breasts are lumped in with the other traditional "freaks" of the sideshows?

[18:52] Dxxxxx Sxxxx: example: I have wanted full body tattoo coverage since I was a SMALL child, something that is VERY unlikely to happen in my RL but happens often in my SL

Yeah, I have one perpetual sigattachment I wear, a winged back tattoo--I've had it since my first few months in SL. In fact, when tattoo layers came around, I contacted the maker to see if she'd be interested in converting it over to a tattoo layer for me. Will I ever get that back tattoo in RL? I won't deny I've been tempted, but I probably won't, just for cost alone.

[18:52] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah
[18:52] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: a bit
[18:52] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: That's very harsh
[18:52] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ~shrugs~
[18:52] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And not very nice


It is harsh, and it isn't nice. I do think "nice" as a concept is rather overused, and occasionally trite as a concept, but is it just more politically correct to say their 'whatever' could be smaller, when we're talking about peoples' personal parts? Whether those parts are virtual or not? Or should we just accept that that's how they want to look? Where's the correct protocol with inflatable bits, anyway?

[18:52] bxxxxx Cxxxxxx: that's the awesome thing about SL is you are able to be as creative as you want to be :)
[18:52] rxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I would think SL is a place to express an inner desire / want you can't have IRL xD
[18:52] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: srry but seeing it so much i just dont get it
[18:53] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Well get over it
[18:53] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im guessing there is a reason
[18:53] bxxxxx Cxxxxxx: exactly [Rxxx]
[18:53] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: While everyone is jumping at the chance to tell [Txxxx] that everyone has the right to do as they please, you are forgetting that [Txxxx] has the right to her own opinions. You don't have to agree with her.


No, we don't, obviously, but as I said earlier, she has the chance to air her voice; we have the chance to react.

[18:53] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes but I don't really like people calling my friends "freaks"
[18:53] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: indeed
[18:53] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i didnt say stop
[18:53] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i seen someone who looked like niki minaj in here did i say rude things did i chuckle to myself yes
[18:53] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i just asked WHY?


Well, and I suppose that's fair. And at least she voiced her opinion of these "freaks" in a group that's for general freebies and gifts, not implants and mesh bodies. I...guess that's a good thing? Sort of?

[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you have to

[18:53] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't think that's very nice
[18:54] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxxx: And back to our regularly scheduled programming...
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: men talk too
[18:54] Axxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but i didn't say anything
[18:54] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: [Bxxxx], did she NAME your friends? If not then that is a strawman argument and you are bashing her while griping about her allegedly (but not really) bashing your 'friends'


Eh, I think that's six of one, half a dozen of the other, really. What the one lass is objecting to is women with large breasts being called freaks. She has friends who wear implants. Thus, according to Miss T, they'd be freaks. She objects to Miss T's labeling them such.

That's not a strawman argument, that's a pretty straight-forward reaction.

[18:54] jxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Lxxxx] I don't think anyone said she doesn't did they? I know I didn't I just expressed my own opinion which happens to conflict with hers.
[18:54] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Men like it too
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not as many as yall think
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol


So...not only is Miss T saying that all wearers of implants and mesh bodies are "freaks", but now she's stating that most men despise women who wear mesh breasts and mesh butts? Really?

I think we're out of rope to hand you, you might just have to hang yourself on what you have, Miss.

[18:54] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Oh So I could come in here and say all skinny bitches are freaks
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: they talk about it
[18:54] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: And it's fine?????
[18:54] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but also say most them do it to get .. well.. and they know they are easy


So, all women who wear mesh breasts and mesh busts are sluts, you say. On top of everything else. Go on.

[18:54] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I don't think so
[18:55] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: OMG
[18:55] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: And [Bxxxx], if people CHOOSE to look like freaks, they are hardly in a position to gripe if someone calls them that.


Don't help.

[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes you could
[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im not skinny
[18:55] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: YEA all big girls are whores [Txxxx]
[18:55] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that's right
[18:55] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: If you rob banks are we not allowed to call you a bank roober because it's politically incorrect or might offend you?


"Robber", but now we're getting into specious arguments. You're basically making her point.

[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: but i am thinking yes you could say that
[18:55] Ixxxxxxx Jxxxxxxxxx: lol i am skinny...and to a point a freak lol
[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: no
[18:55] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: If you don't want to be called a bank robber, don't rob banks.


Are you on Miss T's side? Wait, this is also you:

[18:51] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: [Txxxx], you are not alone in that puzzlement. lol

You ARE!

[18:55] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxxx: Okay, this is a no win subject ATM
[18:55] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: No, if you rob a bank you're a bank robber
[18:55] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Lawd
[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i said that many men see them as doing it to put out the message
[18:55] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i mean draw attention there for what
[18:56] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: to say UHH no touch?
[18:56] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[18:56] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yeah


Yeah. We get it. You're a prude. Move on.

[18:56] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Because you have a large ass you're a whore?
[18:56] cxxxxx Txxxxx: blinks
[18:56] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Wooooah guys.... come on now. Let's chillax and get back to shopping okay?
[18:56] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Do you tell people in real life that?
[18:57] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Cause I think you're about to get in some real trouble if you do


Seriously. This is NOT something you just walk up to people and say out loud in that tone. Plus, this is EXACTLY the sort of victim-blaming our culture seems trapped in. "She had on a sexy dress, that's why she was raped." "She was out late, that's why she was assaulted." "She had large breasts, of course she was sexually harassed." This kind of thinking blames the woman for being in front of the man's eyes, and not the man for doing something criminal and morally reprehensible.

Even in SL, this is something we should try to curtail.

[18:57] Bxxxxx Mxxxxxxxx: Can we please change topics?
[18:57] dxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: People shouldn't worry so much about what others think and live your life the way you see fit. You are never going to please everyone and will only make yourself miserable and those around you as well if you try.
[18:57] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I do


I find that very, very difficult to believe. Or, if that is true, then she gets yelled at a lot by women who aren't prostitutes and don't like being called one to their faces.

[18:57] Vxxxxx Kxxxx: stop it before the chat closes again
[18:57] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and no i dont get in RL trouble
[18:57] Mxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i tell them GYM its 2015


Yeah, depending on the neighborhood she lives in, I really don't believe this. She'd be flipped attitude at the least, or outright slapped in the face for her presumption. 'Get your fat ass to a gym'? Seriously?

[18:57] Lxxxx Sxxxxxx: If my RL friends and family members dressed and behaved like many folks in SL do, you bet I'd tell them they were whorish.
[18:57] Rxxxxx Sxxxxxxxxxx: [Bxxxxx] and [Txxxx] if want to continue this conversation i think the proper place is a im not in here
[18:57] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I'm over it
[18:58] bxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: :X
[18:59] Ixxxxxxx Jxxxxxxxxx: :P likes being freakish lol


Well, and sometimes I do too. Today, for instance, I was very prim and proper, in a floor-length gown with long sleeves, hair in a precise bun, and fawn brocade boots, because I was hunting roses across Caledon. When I arrived back at the current crypt home, I exchanged that for a charcoal hoody, torn black jeans, studded platform boots, and a miniskirt.

To that end, though, it's obvious where Miss T's thought processes are going here. Have a large ass, have bigger boobs, you're a streetwalker. In her mind, you're good for only one thing, and that means you don't respect yourself, men don't respect you, and other women are going to treat you like the dirt you so clearly--to her--are.

And, granted, there are a lot of extremes in SL, throughout all our communities. There are places I don't want to go with my avatar in any mode of dress. There are shapes and styles of avatars I won't purchase, or wear. But to me, that's personal preference.

I've complained about a lot of things. I complain about avatar appearance. I've openly despised the whole pouty fish-lips, wide-saddle form of female we seem stricken with currently, and I doubt that's going to change. But that's not because I think they look like prostitutes, or think the women in those shapes are inherently easy to sleep with. It's because I think that shape and style makes them look desperately unhappy, just a soul-deep, cynical misery that pervades outward from the skin. And I do not believe everyone who wears that shape or those specifically designed skins are that desperately unhappy, that riddled with hatred and bile. I think they're deliberately making themselves unattractive--to themselves if no one else--but my standards are not theirs, obviously, and that's pretty much the end of the assumption line.

Miss T took it farther. To her, Ms. Charms



is exactly the same as Ms. Fuller



and both are exactly the same as this unidentified street prostitute?



Why? For that matter, why link the three in the first place? And why such utter loathing for all three?

(Photo credits: I cannot track down the photographer for the Chelsie Charms shot; but I will link her website [should you feel compelled to dig further, be warned it is VERY NSFW]. Ms. Fuller's photographer has been lost to the ages, as far as I know, but I originally found her cabinet card on the Cvltnation site. And John Mac took the unidentified shot of the prostitute in 2005, for this photo forum.)

Saturday, February 21, 2015

it's very easy to be suave when you're on your guard, like you always are

Another day, another capture from Zone chat, though I'm getting relentlessly tired of doing these...

[Zone] ilex elenath@fotogenia: did any1 read about todays patch? no more foundry farming? (theyre removing the summoning portals??)
[Zone] Cloud Strife@strifecloudvii07: whoa they will remove that
[Zone] Cloud Strife@strifecloudvii07: thats amainbgly stupid


So is spelling amazingly, "amainbgly".

[Zone] ilex elenath@fotogenia: "The summoning portals have been removed as an asset from the Foundry" ???
[Zone] Brukis@giorgosathan: i m a god


Wait, we were discussing Foundry missions, weren't we?

[Zone] Leprechaun@Norisman: GOOD

Well...at least one person's happy?

[Zone] Hanzo@zyh591949094: thx
[Zone] Hanzo@zyh591949094: lol
[Zone] Hanzo@zyh591949094: i...
[Zone] Hanzo@zyh591949094: have headache


Sorry to hear that.

[Zone] Legolas@GzimM: this is so damn boring
[Zone] Cloud Strife@strifecloudvii07: okay ur bored
[Zone] Dame Elysium@GzimM: this is so damn boring
[Zone] Leprechaun@Norisman: Then Get The F*ck Out!


Well, that's harsh...

[Zone] Zenna Softtread@EmillyOrr: So, removing summoning portals from Foundry missions does what, exactly?

Because, admittedly, I was confused about what that would do. Not having "foundry farmed" before this on any of my characters.

[Zone] Leprechaun@Norisman: Puts and end to exploting the sssystem to fam AD
[Zone] Zenna Softtread@EmillyOrr: Ah.


So basically, they were upset because an exploit they'd been counting on to get them money finally got fixed. Oh, boo hoo.

And from SL chat...

[14:32] Axxxx Pxxxxx: Sale of land, 8192 sqm 1875 prims, 5,000l per four weeks, only after four weeks 1,600 a week, interested send MI

I...think you mean "IM".

[14:32] txxxxx Txxxxxx: o.O
[14:33] bxxx Pxxxxx: [Axxxx] you can't do that in this group
[14:33] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: grrrrr


People never seem to get this.

Later:

[14:35] Uxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: there is also a LL board upstairs at Angels that currently read R, has soft pink & black outfit with 2 pairs high slink shoes
[14:35] hxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Dxxxxxx]... can someone confirm that is actually a 'dance anim' in that MM please? Because last time I was aksed to come help w a freebie there, the 'dance' ended up not being a dance, but a graphic sexual anim instead. Just realy good to check to be sure first if you could please, and let us know the name of the animation in the MM there, thanks
[14:36] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: can yall make sure to put if you have to join group or not pretty please
[14:36] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: when u post your lms, would b helpful
[14:37] bxxx Pxxxxx: I tell you if you need it :>)
[14:37] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ik [bxxx]
[14:37] Uxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sorry, the LL board at Angels is no group
[14:37] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's an AO
[14:37] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: not a dance


So here we go again...again...because we've done this particular pavane before. In this particular group, posting of animations (sexual or PG), dances, and AOs are not allowed, to the point that it's in the group charter. To join the group, you have to at least see the charter square has words in it, whether you stop to read them or not.

[14:38] txxxxx Txxxxxx: I believe no AO mm boards are aloud in here.....

"Allowed".

[14:39] hxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: AO mms not permitted
[14:39] bxxx Pxxxxx: No they aren't
[14:39] sxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's a Model Girl AO on the mm Board not a dance
[14:39] fxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: why arent they allowed
[14:39] Txx Axxxx: They are saying it is a dance to circumvent the rules. They know it.


Which is odd, because posting dances aren't allowed either, I thought.

[14:40] txxxxx Txxxxxx: my guess is that many anims are copybotted
[14:40] bxxx Pxxxxx: I refer you to a mod, what I know is some of it has to do with copy botting


Pretty much.

[14:40] hxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Nods.. TY [Txx], Sane happened before with 'adult' sexual anims... which is why I questioned it
[14:41] cxxxxxxxxxxxxx Pxxxxxxx: MM with sandal roses in skelet palm 120/150 grup TC store i say just sandal cu i want them but r luchy letters too;)
[14:41] Sxxxxxxxxx Dxxxxx: I dont think these days it does make a difference the risk whit animations is just as high as whit other products


"With", and maybe, but it's the rules of the group. It's like going to a human-only sim dressed as a furry. It's not that you, in fur, are objectionable by yourself; it's just that you, in fur, can't RP on a human-only sim. Same thing here. No AOs, no animations, no dances.

[14:47] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: wouldn't it b against the law to copy the item?

Well, yes, but you're discussing ethics in that sense, which is not the point under discussion.

[14:49] hxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yes it is, it is theft [Exxxx], but that does not stop some people
[14:49] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i have paste here b4 it never told me i have to say what is on the MMB if i did it would b to long for me to explain myself what the items


That's more your problem than ours, frankly. Learn to condense.

[14:49] Sxxxxxxxxx Dxxxxx: Yeah [Exxxx] but sometimes people make theire own rules like When they make theire own little blab blab rules stating in theire profile they think its okay to do that but still breaking sl TOS when they dont keep up to the real rules from sl
[14:49] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: SMH
[14:50] Kxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: What?
[14:50] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: im at other place so would u like me to say what r in all the 6 MMB n the 3 seats are?
[14:51] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: one time they told me to keep it short so i did..


Right, when a mod told you to "keep it short"? That means no more than three lines. Not "avoid mentioning anything that's on the MM board".

[14:51] lxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It is helpful to people who might want to visit a store to know if there is a mm board, how many, what the prizes are
[14:51] Txx Axxxx: LOL, how long does it take to say it was the Model AO created by Vista Animations that is now sold by someone else?
[14:52] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol.. that's be great
[14:52] hxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Exxxx]... I IM'ed and explained to you why the question was posed... it had to do with group rules, not anything personal... so please can we move on?
[14:54] bxxx Pxxxxx: I hate to be the prissy one here, but! we need to move on kk :)
[14:55] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ..so there's this cat.. that walks into a bar - looking for MM's :)
[14:55] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[14:55] sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: HUGGIES!
[14:55] sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx giggles
[14:56] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok there is nothing wrong with that AO' Just to let u know' oh sorry for putting it on here also
[14:56] Sxxxxxxxxx Dxxxxx: Anyway rules are rules and we do have to respect the rules a owner from the groups creates
[14:57] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: u r not allow to put anything with AO'S ON HERRRRRRRREEEE
[14:57] bxxx Pxxxxx: *bangs her head on the wall*


Sometimes people can be hard to deter if they think they're in the right, or, at least, are confused as to why they're in the wrong.

[14:58] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: thank you [Axx] - now, moving on
[15:00] exxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ok who is the owner
[15:00] Sxxxxxxxxx Dxxxxx: ? what do you meen [exxxx] from this group?
[15:00] lxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Owner of what [Exxxx]?? The group? Check the group profile
[15:00] Vxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i thought it was just ao manias we couldnt post, that free ao's were ok if people ask [15:00] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: owner of?
[15:00] bxxx Pxxxxx: She is shy [Axx] Lol!!!
[15:01] txxxxx Txxxxxx: yea we can recomend AO stores....established AO stores. We do all the tme talk about them

Yes, just nothing on MM boards.

[15:02] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: we all gonna get along up in here today or im tellin on errrrybody and i mean it. i love everyone so lets play nicely okay for i cry
[15:02] Sxxxxxxxxx Dxxxxx: [exxxx] i think you should talk whit a moderator on the rules if you have doubts ore questions
[15:03] bxxx Pxxxxx: Stop yackin and get ta slappin!!!
[15:03] sxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[15:04] Sxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: .. there's NO cry'n in slap'n them boards


Agreed. Now let's see if it works...

Thursday, February 19, 2015

did you have to do this? I was thinking that you could be trusted

(continued from part one)

How'ver, that wasn't the point of quoting this section of chat. That started a bit later...

[00:13] vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Axx] why are you a velociraptor?
[00:13] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Who cares I wanna be one!
[00:13] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hahahaa
[00:14] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: me too I wanna be a velociraptor
[00:14] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: cos i CAN! :P
[00:14] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: lol
[00:14] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Taht's the best answer [Axx]
[00:14] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i thought so too lol
[00:14] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol we're all gathered here today to find out what happened to sarcastic.... and look at a velociraptor


Well, that's always fun. Not what happened with SaRcAsTIC, but the velociraptor av. And no, I didn't catch where to get it.

[00:15] xxxxxxxx Bxxxx: now that is sooo cruel n cold of ll... how can they just tell u.. we gonna take ur money unless u tell us who u are.... heck.. they get enough info when we sigh up.. isnt that enough....god bless her... she will get thru this
[00:15] vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: trots off to become a lossyraptor too
[00:16] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: ta!
[00:16] cxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: tyvm
[00:17] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx sighs
[00:18] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: trust me [xxxxxxx] they already know who you are...
[00:19] vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yay i got a Velociraptor
[00:20] Mxxxxx Zxxx: mi am dat log out din greseala
[00:20] vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: say wha


Google Translate said, "I gave my mistake log out"; Bing Translator said "I got logged out by mistake". So now we know?

[00:21] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: [Xxx], the same thing happened to me over the Summer. I had to provide my RL credentials to LL in order to access my accounts and cash out. With me, it was a taxable income issue, nothing more - nothing less. Once I submitted my ID, all was right back on track. Our LindenDollars equate to real life dollars, simple as. In my case, I was not being persecuted or penalised in any way. The IRS wants its share, again, simple as. SL is also the perfect grouns for money laundering - LL needs to protect itself from any complicity. Makes perfect sense. That said, I have no idea what the issue is with SaRcAsTIC, that was just my experience.

Right, but again, I'd be willing to bet this person lives in the US, not overseas.

[00:21] axxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Thankies. ^^
[00:21] xxxxxxxx Bxxxx: wow......
[00:22] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: My thoughts exactly [Fxxxxx]... it's a taxation issue, which is unfortunate but a fact of life
[00:22] kxxxx Dxxxxxxxxx: does anyone know if 7deadlyskins is still free?
[00:22] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: still free to join
[00:22] vxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: yes
[00:24] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: any income from sl is taxable income in the us and if you do not file taxes on your income LL is liable and believe me they do not want the IRS on their butt any more than you want them on yours


Again, true, but the issue of whether US law applies to international accounts accepting income from transactions made on AMerican servers hasn't been adequately settled for the internationals, at least.

[00:24] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: And it was a blanket suspendion, btw.. ALL of my accounts were not accessible. I use the same email address for the lot.
[00:25] xxxxxxxx Bxxxx: wow
[00:26] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: if it's for tax?...not a lot you can do really :(
[00:27] Ixxxx Wxxxxxxx: I never thought about money laundering. That makes my head hurt thinking about all of the boundary case issues there.
[00:27] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: sure you can give them your payment info and get your accounts unlocked


It's not that simple. Verifying with the Lab used to be a simple case of 'here's my credit card'; it's not anymore. In fact, one of the key difficulties is that the verification form online asks for a driver's licence number, or an EIN. If one does not live in the US, there may be no driver's licence number the form would recognize, and to apply for an EIN number for an international is a thorny path on its own; generally, that establishes residency, for a brick-and-mortar building, which SL is manifestly not.

[00:27] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i wouldn't have thought of that either to be honest
[00:29] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: In the case of SaRcaStiC, somehow the pwner's account [...]


The "pwner's account"??

[...] and the account that LL is asking for information about have been linked - no idea how or why, and anything not coming fro the owner herself, or her group representatvie would just be conjecture and the stuff of rumours.
[00:29] zxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: If someone is from another country and makes money in SL, how can the US government tax them for it? I am curious if that is possible. Hhhmmm something to check into. I mean I have no idea if she is from the US or not but kind of something to think about
[00:30] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: how about if i spent $1,000 in your store for example and you are actually working for IS and you cash that $1000 out and use it to buy weapons... now there is no money trail to follow
[00:30] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: lol


Which is pretty much ludicrous--not that there may not be criminal forces working in SL, because of a surety there are, but to assume that anyone might be part of the Islamic State, so LL is requesting this information to establish a paper trail and verifiable deniability...well, at some point, you either trust or you don't. If you're mistrusting folks to that extent, then what's to stop them from generating a real-sounding, but wholly fake address?

And then...

[00:30] txxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Warning! This is a bad one. Please pass this message out to as many friends and groups as you can. If anyone passes you a gift from someone you know or dont know which may be called "stick21" delete it immediately. This thing is nasty! Do not rez it or wear it and if possible do not accept it. It does real damage to your pc and SL via spamming your viewer and emails which if opened shut your pc down.
[00:30] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: those groups use programs like SL to communicat all the time
[00:30] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: aww...NOT AGAIN!
[00:30] xxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: oh wow
[00:31] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: Please /don't/ post that to all of your friends. Please just adcise them NOT to take candy from stangers or open things that they are not familiar with.
[00:31] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: stop spamming...that message is pure BS...it can't affect your PC!
[00:31] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: those "objects that steal you L$" belong in the urban legend file between global warming and yete.. but.... someone did get their 15 minutes of fame out if it because everyone in sl is talking about them now
[00:31] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: scaremonger griefing is all that is
[00:31] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: its hitting all my groups now
[00:31] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: geeeesh
[00:31] rxxx Jxxxxxxxx: Besides, that "warning" is a hoax that has been going around for at least 5 years.


This particular iteration is new, but the text is pretty much the same, yes.

[00:32] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx debates on the next person's punishment if they post this in the group again
[00:32] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that same notice has gone through sl 4 times today
[00:32] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: [sxxxxxxxx], as far as I'm aware people pay taxes in their country, like a british creator in SL pays tax on SL income in the UK to the British government, because the amounts involved aren't that high really


And getting back to this, yes, this is the point--many internationals are complaining that, essentially, to operate in SL, they need to:
  • pay a premium monthly fee
  • plus pay additional VAT fees on any sim they rent
  • plus pay taxes in their native country
  • and now pay US taxes in additional to their own taxes
  • AND give personally identifying information to the Lab, an action with is banned by law in many European countries
Many internationals feel frustrated, angered, and trapped by these restrictions and rulings, and they're leaving in literal droves because of it.

[00:33] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i'm SO tempted to AR the next person who sends that
[00:33] txxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i'm sorry if you guys take it as spam, I meant no bad intention in sending it out
[00:33] txxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Axxxxxxxxx], take a chill pill -.-


[Axxxxxxxxx] is a mod in this group, as I've previously mentioned. Never tell a mod to calm down, it doesn't end well.

[00:33] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: chat was already closed once today cause of that stupid warning being posted every 10 minutes.... don't start it again....
. [00:33] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Txxxxx], we closed down group chat earlier because of all the spam that went through here because of that one notice
[00:33] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: CHILL PILL!?!
[00:33] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: inhale exhale
[00:34] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: Perhaps somoene wanter HER 15 minutes of fame by bringing the "good news" to everyone :)
[00:34] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: passes [axxxxxxxxx] one of my vicodine and a glass of wine
[00:34] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx sits on hands for a few mins
[00:34] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: it seems someone named Chrissy has been spamming all the other groups too with the same notice
[00:34] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: Chrissy Ziplon


I'm leaving Ms. Ziplon's name intact, because this isn't the first time I've tangled with her spamming groups with either disallowed things, begging for Lindens, or outright "warnings" like this one. It's not impossible that her account may have been hacked; but if it has, it's been months and she hasn't regained control of it yet. Me, I have her muted as a spammer.

[00:35] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i think theres mor people less gullible nowadays....i've not seen it much apart from that mass of messages in here earlier
[00:35] xxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: well said [Axxxx]
[00:36] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: anyone who tried to steal my L$ would be very disappointed
[00:36] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: lol
[00:37] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: weren't we just discussing kitten lair or something for mesh shapes??


Mesh bodies, actually.

AND THEN--

[00:37] Axxx Kxxx: Warning! This is a bad one. Please pass this message out to as many friends and groups as you can. If anyone passes you a gift from someone you know or dont know which may be called "stick21" delete it immediately. This thing is nasty! Do not rez it or wear it and if possible do not accept it. It does real damage to your pc and SL via spamming your viewer and emails which if opened shut your pc down.
[00:38] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: [Axxx]?...pls stop sending that spam...it's garbage, lies and a hoax!
[00:38] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: passes [axxxxxxxxx] another glass of wine
[00:38] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: gawwwwsh
[00:39] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: [Axxx], youe account is over 4 years old - you really SHOULD know better than that.

She really, really should.

[00:39] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: muted and getting ready to send a report to LL.... I'm sick of that crap.
[00:40] Lxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: and she's doing it in all her groups....
[00:41] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: another one..
[00:41] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: ugh, has to wait to group profile loads
[00:41] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: she left group chat already
[00:41] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: yep, this will be the 6th group that has popped up for me were she's posted it, in less than 5 minutes
[00:41] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: she spammed shoenique group chat too
[00:42] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: "oh thank you for giving us this valuable information, you are AMAZING!" <<< I just see these spammers as total attention whores seeking gratitude and a few shining moments of recognition.
[00:42] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: so far i'm only getting it here now
[00:42] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: is any other mod on that has group profile already opened up and populated
[00:42] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: I was just starting to unmute my group chats too.


But we weren't done yet.

[00:42] kxx Txxx: I got this message from another group. PLEASE READ.
[00:42] kxx Txxx: Warning! This is a bad one. Please pass this message out to as many friends and groups as you can. If anyone passes you a gift from someone you know or dont know which may be called "stick21" delete it immediately. This thing is nasty! Do not rez it or wear it and if possible do not accept it. It does real damage to your pc and SL via spamming your viewer and emails which if opened shut your pc down.
[00:42] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Kxx] don't
[00:42] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: [Kxx], DON;T DO IT
[00:42] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: wooow
[00:42] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: oh god
[00:42] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: noooooooooooooo
[00:42] Dxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ohhh ffs
[00:42] fxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: omg
[00:42] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: OFGS!
[00:42] Sxxxxxx Dxxxxxx: X(
[00:42] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: too late
[00:42] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: permanent ban all


It'd be nice, but the problem with these kinds of messages is people honestly think they're helping, somehow, by not doing the five minutes of research it would take to verify it as a bad thing to repost. They just feel this helpful urge, and for the most part, they're good people. Just...confused people who don't fact-check.

[00:42] Lxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: hoax
[00:42] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: muted
[00:42] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: [axxxx]..do something
[00:42] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: that's it im outta here, this gon be a long morning
[00:43] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: hey guys, did you hear about this thing called...
[00:43] exxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol
[00:43] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: [Kxx] has a real last name, too, and should know better
[00:43] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: LOL [Mxxx]
[00:43] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: almost 5 years in SL and STILL falling for thios garbage [Kxx]?...shame on you
[00:43] Lxxxxxxxx Fxxxxxx: maybe its a spam in itself
[00:43] mxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: geeeez is nothing but a retarded spam lol
[00:43] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: you all know.. that thereis not a problem at all if someone post a warning and NO ONE reacts to it.. right? its the people who respond to it all the time that makes this groups go bad
[00:43] kxx Txxx: What did I do wrong?


So many things. Didn't pay attention to chat, didn't see this had been posted before, didn't bother tuning in yesterday when this was an even bigger issue of this one message--THIS ONE MESSAGE, WORD FOR FRIGGIN' WORD--was being passed on until the mods closed down group chat for several hours...

[00:44] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: *attention whore* (my last words on the subject)
[00:44] mxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: read the rules of this group!
[00:44] kxx Txxx: I don't get it.
[00:44] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: read what you sent...you REALLY believe that crap?
[00:44] Hxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: IF only it were the last words of everyone one on it ... the after spam shockwave is far more than the singular posts of spam
[00:45] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: guys, [Kxx] cannot see the group chat now.
[00:45] mxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: NOT ALLOWED in chat:
Store ads/spam/self-promotion
3 lines MAX posting!
MP Links: Inworld Only
Criticizing stores/gifts
Drama/rudeness
Promoters
Discos-Clubs-DJs
Breedables
Land rental/sale
Adult stores/items
Gambling
Malls-Franchises
Roleplay
Car/motor-AO-Pay MM/LBs

Pls don't link your blog in chat
[00:45] mxxxxxxx Hxxxxxxxxx: group chat was closed earlier today cause it got so out of hand.
[00:45] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: thank God..
[00:45] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: they afterspam... because they like the attention they got with it..so they do it again and again ...just because you all react to it like this.
[00:45] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: and this is a warning to eveyrone else ..I WILL and HAVE EJECTED people already
[00:45] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxxx: ALso not allowed for anyone but a MODERATOR to copyu and paste the group guifelines.
[00:46] Exxxxxxxx Kxxxxxxxx: yes...agree...
[00:46] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: if no one reacts..there is no fun for these people. and it stops
[00:46] mxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ...... i'M JUST SAYING GEEEZ RELAX DUUUUDE!
[00:46] Hxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: the afterspam shockwave is everyone reacting ;)
[00:46] lxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: exactly heron. so lets just dont.
[00:47] Hxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: lol

That sounds really bad. I'm glad I missed it, I think.

[00:47] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i think you'd have reacted if you were here when it was nonstop, and nobody could post anything else
[00:48] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: wow, that sounds awful
[00:48] Mxxx Gxxxxxxxx: at least it's quieter now, from people being kicked
[00:48] Ixxxxx Wxxxxxxx: lol
[00:48] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's not any quieter, you guys won't shh lol
[00:48] Mxxx Sxxxxxxxx: they've moved on to other groups.. lol
[00:48] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: yeah...group chat was closed for hrs lasst night because of it all


And that's the heart and soul of what I wanted to post. We've seen spam "warnings" before--things that code manifestly can't do, or objects that ask for Linden access when they're attached (which is generally always an easy "no" and unattach to solve, but there are dim people on the grid). And I won't say that there are no malicious folks in SL.

But by and large, these "warnings" are almost always hoaxes, and cause more drama than they solve in any group they're posted. And this one particularly--this one message seems to be another that's taken the net by storm. I've gotten notices from groups, heard about this in chat, and with only one exception it's been "OMG PLZ THIS IS AWFUL THING". When in reality, it's just...nothing.

you made a really deep cut and, baby, now we got bad blood

Multitasking for me, these days, is watching something in one window while playing with graphics in another, or--like today--logging in to SL to check out the newness at Bare Rose while watching RWBY.

So I didn't start paying attention to escalating drama in one of my groups for several minutes:

[23:55] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: isn't belleza on some kind of dmca?
[23:55] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Are we talking mesh bodies again?


Probably, but I believe Belleza is finally gaining the upper hand, considering it seems to be a false DMCA claim in the first place.

[23:55] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: it's not allowed?
[23:56] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's allowed I was just asking :D
[23:56] Cxxxxx Txxxxxxxx: Its allowed
[23:56] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: yes I am curious about maitreya
[23:56] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Belleza had a dcma, not anymore :)
[23:57] Cxxxxx Txxxxxxxx: Belleza was filled on by a anonymous person that used another creators name the whole thing was fake used to cause trouble


That's basically what I'd heard, more or less.

[23:57] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: ok I am looking for realistic and good reviews on these mesh bodies. I'm owning quite a few only one brand along with phat Azz and different breasts and mesh heads just trying to lean more towards realism lol.
[23:58] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: thank goodness belleza is on the market.
[23:58] pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: my advice...try all the demos, they all have different looks and HUDs.....really look at them
[23:59] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: hmm ok so far I'm hearing raving good reviews on maitreya
[23:59] Cxxxxx Txxxxxxxx: if you still want a curvy figure I'd say kitty lair
[23:59] Cxxxxx Txxxxxxxx: for a body
[00:00] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: alright I'll get demos thanks sorry for distracting normal activity here.
[00:00] axxxxx Lxxxxxx: never heard of kitty lair
[00:01] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: me neither
[00:01] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Kitties Lair is Lena :)
[00:01] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: ohhh :).
[00:01] kxx Txxx: Does anyone know where did the SaRcAsTIC go?
[00:01] Fxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [Dxxxxxxx], this is regular activity here ^^
[00:01] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Yep we talk about all sorts of randomness
[00:01] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i really like kitties lair is just out of my price range at the moment
[00:01] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i heard it closed [kxxxx]
[00:01] lxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: Lena is one of the cheapest
[00:02] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxx: SaRcAsTIC ist kaput.


Wait, what now?

[00:02] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: [fxxx] when did it go kaput
[00:02] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: huh. That is weird. I'm here and no sarcastic :(
[00:02] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: I don't see sarcasm
[00:02] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxx: Like withint the past 24 hours
[00:02] Ixxxx Wxxxxxxx: Wow
[00:02] 7xxxx Rxxxxxxx: wow what happened?
[00:03] kxx Txxx: That was my question. The store is gone.
[00:03] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: as in...permanent?
[00:03] Dxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lxx: is sarcastic a store or you using the word alone.


SaRcAsTIC is--or was--a store in SL that primarily specialized in shoulder pets and rideable animals. And gestures, apparently, but I never engaged with that end of the business.

[00:03] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: What does the about land say ?
[00:04] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: ahh
[00:04] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: cant believe
[00:04] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: i thought i had just been there yesterday
[00:04] Kxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: I was hoping to find a fox cub!
[00:04] zxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: there is a NC in the notices about Sarcastic leaving SL and the shop will be closed as of 2-18


Oh, darn.

[00:04] kxx Txxx: The store named "SaRcAsTIC" is not on the location where it used to be.
[00:05] rxxx Jxxxxxxxx: They moved it a couple times in the last few months. Its on the same sim, just a different location.
[00:05] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: apparently Sarcastic is closed for the time being. I am not sure when it will be reopened. We'll just have to keep our eyes open. bt it is still going to be at the same location from what I can see
[00:06] Fxxxxx Axxxxxxx: It is CLOSED, not just moving.
[00:06] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: yeah....About Land has usual details
[00:06] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: aww...fank ooo
[00:07] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: Guys sarcastic is gone for good
[00:07] rxxx Jxxxxxxxx: You might try asking in their support group..
[00:08] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: I'll sed the NC to [Axxxxx] or another designer/mod who can post and I'll post it in the huntaholics and more group
[00:08] axxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: It's not a big deal just a question ... I will find the answer


Sounds good. I'll post more when I know more.

[00:09] axxxxx Rxxx: only on the market the avi owner cant come on sl for sarcastic....
[00:09] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: And we are being asked not to buy anything from her marketplace store.


Oh? Okay, that sounds more...dire.

[00:10] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: LL is keeping all of the money and not giving him/her his/her money that they earned from MP
[00:10] axxxxx Rxxx: the avi is banned
[00:10] axxxxx Rxxx: ...
[00:10] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: banned?
[00:10] rxxx Jxxxxxxxx: Makes sense. Lindens would go to the avi account that she can't access.
[00:10] xxxxxxxx Bxxxx: i missed something
[00:10] Pxxxxxxxxxxx Rxxxxxxx: are we allowed to ask why??
[00:10] axxxxx Rxxx: read the note card on the sim
[00:10] xxxxxxxx Bxxxx: didnt get a nc
[00:11] Axxxxxxxxx Lxxxxxxxx: i didn't either
[00:11] Axxxxxxxxxxxx Sxxxxxxx: [Xxx], I'll send you a NC
[00:11] axxxxx Rxxx: big cube on the sim


So I went there. No big cube. I asked if anyone still had the notecard, and one of the mods said she'd send it to me. This is it:
Hello folks,

I need to send this message to you all.

The owner and creator of Sarcastic (XMaeLynnX) and its
products will be gone. The shop will be closed today.


XMaeLynnX wants to thank you all for all the years of your loyality and support.
She also wants to share the story of her end with you:

LindenLabs blocked XMaeLynnX.

It's not acceptable, because she was blocked because of another avatar. She didn't do anything wrong herself within SecondLife at all!

They will keep XMaeLynnX blocked as long as this other avatar doesn't say anything and doesn't reveal his personal informatiion to the LindenLabs.

This other avatar didn't do anything wrong either. All he refuses to do is to send the information about his rl to the Lindens. I understand this pretty well and wouldn't act any different myself. Especially I wouldn't send any personal information via the internet.

So this means that XMaeLynnX will be blocked.

All pleas and mails which XMaeLynnX sent to the LindenLabs have been ignored.

And so after all this harassment and discussions XMaeLynnX resignates and doesn't want to keep on fighting.

The Sarcastic Shop will be gone by today. A real pity.

XMaelynnX wants to ask you to _not_ buy any products from her marketplace anymore. LindenLabs did a freeze on all incomes for the last 3 months and it seems they plan to keep that money. They refuse to send it to her.

They acted the same with another avatar (Vera Mirror). They kept her money (30.000L$) for the reason that they want her personal rl information.

XMaeLynn doesn't want LindenLabs to keep earning money from her products on the marketplace. We'll keep on watching to see when LindenLabs turn that page in the marketplace off.

So this goes to all Members: Please DON'T buy anything at the Sarcastic Marketplace - it wouldn't be fair and XMaeLynnX wouldn't get anything out of it.

We are deeply sorry and still couldn't get it completely.
What an incredible cheek from LindenLabs

We will make this case public via FB, Twitter and on sl blogger sites. For that things like these won't happen to others.

Thank you all

your Sarcastic Team


XMaeLynnX Resident
So...that DOES seem dire.

The main problem with this seems to be in the interaction between Linden Lab, a US-based company, and international accounts--for example, XMaeLynnX, who is German by birth and residency. And in Germany--as in much of the rest of Europe--giving out RL information online is actively prohibited by law. It's becoming an increasingly difficult clash of cultures, this one with direct financial consequences. I don't see any hope of resolution, either, unless LL decides to budge.

(continued in part two)