twelve o'clock at night, and the moon is full (part two)

Picking up where we left off...And I'm still pondering last entry's question: what on earth does he think 'charitable feeding' would prove?? I don't even have a place in my brain for that.

[8:20 PM] Rxx: Hopefully whatever he's publishing doesn't bring mass attention to vampires
[8:21 PM] Rxx: Lol

I tend to agree, but on the other hand, it's far easier to write lurid, sensational pieces that magnify how bats or surreal or just generally dangerous we are as a group. And, let's also be logical about things: collectors of Hummel figurines aren't known for murdering people. While no one I know in the real vamp community has, as far as I know, there are a great many "vampire murderers" out there. It doesn't go with the territory, but it feeds into the fear and disgust that many have when thinking of people who drink blood. Because obviously they can't also own a minivan and have kids and go to PTA meetings, by default they must be baby-eating Satanists who dress in black, cover their faces in white makeup, and sleep in coffins, right?

[8:22 PM] Rxxxxxx: [Axxxx Axxxxx] it might turn into a voice for the "occult" histories in modern day technology. Like magick has not died. Yall be vampires. And i think i understand chaos. The point is the furtherment of tolarance and support of metaphysical systems. Systems that help people FOR REAL real.

"Tolerance". And...maybe it's just me, but the best way to further tolerance and understanding of metaphysics is to present it rationally--not ask a bunch of strangers on the internet "So tell me, do you really, really, REALLY drink blood? Like for REAL real? Like, REALLY REALLY for real?" Because that just made him come off a complete lunatic.

[8:22 PM] Rxxxxxx: Like i have ideas for a occult universty. Or wellness centers. Not too sure
[8:23 PM] Rxx: What

I agree. What? I don't understand any of that.

[8:23 PM] Rxxxxxx: At least general education of the "out there" like how to live life and all that.
[8:23 PM] Rxxxxxx: Real important skills.
[8:23 PM] Nxxxxxxx: I'm not a sang so no, I don't, but there are many who do. Occult and vampires aren't always synonymous. Also many occultists aren't as open to sharing their studies and information, that's why grimoires are often coded and intentionally left incomplete

I tend to agree. Even old alchemy texts are written in code. Their writers expected a certain facility with the information, they weren't writing for everyone who just happened upon a tome.

[8:24 PM] dxxx: ehh, vamps are far less magical than you might expect

That too. Remember the minivans and the kids and the helping out with homework? Lot of real vamps do that on the daily.

[8:24 PM] Rxxxxxx: Well. Sharing is caring and i thinknit all should be written at least once.

I bet. Sarcasm fully intended.

[8:25 PM] Rxx: Id consider myself a magician
[8:25 PM] Axxxx Axxxxx: Unless people know where the info is going, I don't know if you'd be able to get good interviews [Rxxxxxx]
[8:25 PM] Rxx: I'm not the greatest though
[8:25 PM] Rxxxxxx: Not just vamps. But like the "whole" spectrum.
[8:25 PM] Rxx: Does rev think we're mentally ill?

Maybe. Sounds like it, anyway.

[8:25 PM] Rxxxxxx: This interaction has been more than enough. I apreciate all the input i have gotten.
[8:26 PM] Nxxxxxxx: Vamps aren't always involved in the occult, so there's also that. I think you might have some misconceptions about what vampires are, including the types that exist.
[8:26 PM] diss: i get the impression that he thinks we're vampires and about to start sparkling
[8:26 PM] Axxxx Axxxxx: [Rxxxxxx] this group is for support, if you have any questions about support that you'd like to get answered for yourself, please feel free to ask those questions instead.

Now there's a thought. He could have asked any number of questions about vampirism in general, how one 'knows' one is a vampire, where the current research is at...but no, he leapt directly into "am drunk wana voice" territory. Pitiful.

[8:27 PM] Hxxxx Gx: The association with vampires and occult magics is generally misinformation given people's opinions that they form through popculture nonsense. Many psi vampires like myself are long time practitioners but we're not vampires because of it and generally our energy work has very little to do with our natures as vampires.
[8:27 PM] Rxxxxxx: I bet i do!
[8:27 PM] Rxxxxxx: Not know much.

Now that I fervently believe.

[8:27 PM] Rxx: I'm open to most questions Aswell
[8:27 PM] Rxxxxxx: Cool
[8:28 PM] Nxxxxxxx: [B*tch] I might, gimme a lush bathbomb. I'll sparkle like you wouldn't believe. The beacons of gondor have been lit. shrug getting a weird vibe here so I think I'll let someone else handle that can of worms.

Totally not alone there. I think a lot of us were getting that vibe. (And the reason you're not seeing my name in these comments is because this entire drama mostly took place while I was off having dinner with family. Else I likely would have interjected.)

[8:28 PM] Hxxxx Gx: Also, I'm going to second [Axxxx Axxxxx]. We're a support group. We're not going to be the place to gather 'information' for a paper, a thesis, or anything. We're not lab rats to be studied. We have a desire to help those who are genuinely interested in the lives and natures of vampires and non-humans, donors and so on, but we're also going to maintain the safety of our community :). Which I'm sure you understand. Knowing this, I would like to request that you do not use any names or any information acquired here for any purpose outside of this discord, and if you would like to collect information for academic pursuit please DM [CX], the owner.

**THIS,** so VERY much this.

[8:28 PM] Rxxxxxx: Itl be like histories. Things that you would share with other people in your situation. In anything odd like this. Support is crucial.

We have a few books like that already. And we have more than a handful of people dedicated to finding out both the medical why behind this urge/need, as well as the psychological and mental issues surrounding it. Mr. R, he's not going to get very far figuring anything he writes will be new in its field.

[8:28 PM] dxxx: you sound rather excited to be here... maybe it'd be good to go read up a bit more on the publicly available sites (e.g. https://sphynxcatvp.nocturna.org/ ) and then return with questions?
[8:29 PM] Rxxxxxx: Cool. And yes. There would be identity protections and what not.
[8:30 PM] Axxxx Axxxxx: [Rxxxxxx], yes [CX] would be the person to contact about anything academic for your uses. Just message her.
[8:30 PM] Hxxxx Gx: At this time we do not submit, accept, or wish to indulge in any form of study from this point on until official acceptance of such an idea is given by the discord's owner.

Which is a very good, very clear way to say no. I approve.

[8:31 PM] dxxx: [Rxxxxxx] you are way ahead of yourself. before anybody will agree to participate in any study you will have to show that you at least know what you are talking about. otherwise we're not interested

And to this point, he hasn't shown that he understands one single thing.

[8:31 PM] Jxxxx Lxxxxx: [Rxxxxxx] what is the intended purpose of your study?

As usual, bolding the name means they're a mod for the group, just like [CX] is the group owner.

[8:31 PM] Rxxxxxx: I Thank you for being as you are! And i am sorry that it came of but i am sort of having an uber neckbeard nerd moment. Im just happy to have been able to get this experience really.

And great, now we're an "experience" for him. Way to go right back to making us feel like sideshow freaks. Also, how is he defining "uber neckbeard nerd"? Because for me, that sounds really negative.

[8:32 PM] dxxx: [Rxxxxxx] you are also intruding into what is usually a rather private space
[8:33 PM] Rxxxxxx: Its mostly my personal occult practice. The more data the better. But there has been great disrespect felt, and i am not anyone really known. So it would be weird any other way than it is.
[8:33 PM] Rxxxxxx: So thank you.
[8:34 PM] Hxxxx Gx: Well given that vampires are not inherently anything related to the occult there's not much you can find there :smiley:

That's true enough. He's still coming off more akin to a donkey's rear section than to a thoughtful human entity, though.

Part three to come.