tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post3737559721404724821..comments2023-12-14T18:17:52.957-08:00Comments on The Train Wreck Love Life: when three-fold applications of doubt surround my fateEmilly Orrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-53584590666533393012010-06-10T15:25:04.353-07:002010-06-10T15:25:04.353-07:00Pretty much.
Since I posted this, I've spoken...Pretty much.<br /><br />Since I posted this, I've spoken more with Keira, the organizer, and Melisande and Prue Genira, her friends and assistant organizers; I've also spoken to Keira in world. And I do think they had a good idea, and wanted to do good by putting the Fair out there.<br /><br />(I <i>also</i> know there's going to be a second Fair, likely to raise awareness on the same issues, and land has already been donated to them to use. So yay for that.)<br /><br />Ultimately, I think many of us are jaded--so many of us grant so little leeway these days to people. Someone built something without shading it properly in PhotoShop; someone took too many lines to code a script; someone's still using a first-generation skirt-builder; someone's throwing some event that doesn't perfectly mesh with SL culture.<br /><br />We don't automatically think these are signs of <i>inexperience</i>, we generally think these are signs of <i>laziness</i>.<br /><br />I'm not saying this general perception is <i>right</i>, btw; I'm saying most of us have absorbed the standard way things look now, behave now, as opposed to 2006, 2007 (if some of us were even on the grid back then), and we expect subconsciously that that's just how things <i>are</i>.<br /><br />Me, I think later events that they throw (and I get the definite idea that Keira wants to throw more events) will be much more polished, and I think that's more of a good thing than a bad thing.Emilly Orrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-87388387942614022512010-06-10T11:32:37.958-07:002010-06-10T11:32:37.958-07:00I just thought I'd leave a few thoughts here.....I just thought I'd leave a few thoughts here...<br /><br />I thoroughly believe that fashion and the creativity behind sl's fashion world in particular can be used as a completely inspirational tool to support good causes. <br /><br />I think that the lack of inspiration and creativity have everything to do with depression and other mental disorders. <br /><br />That said, just because it is different and you don't catch the aim right off the bat, doesn't mean it is a terrible idea. <br /><br />If they were to aim towards the traditional crowd of artsy fartsies and uppities that typically attend gallery openings or other artistic endeavors (not that these are bad people or events, by any means) that I believe would be missing the point. Their aim was never to raise money, but to raise awareness. The fashion crowd, and the average sl shopper... they're the ones that this sort of thing should be aimed at. In my opinion. <br /><br />Also, as far as the sponsors being taken off the wall... they gave money at the beginning, that didn't change because they dropped out and removed their items. I doubt they were refunded money they freely gave? I dunno though. <br /><br />Any who, in the end of it all, I'm generally the first to bitch and gripe about things, and I certainly wouldn't let a misguided "good cause" stand in the way of my streak. But, Keira and her team seem to me, to be inspired and setting their foot in a door where the territory is very undiscovered in sl. Their mistakes on this event have been a bit stupid, I agree, they should have through things through a bit more and asked around. But at the end of the day, it's not a bad idea, and they aren't intentionally trying to deceive folks. I'm all about rooting for the under dog, especially when it's so unique and inspired.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-28029402758599618632010-06-08T15:13:09.970-07:002010-06-08T15:13:09.970-07:00Probably not. Though now I'm also giggling ove...Probably not. Though now I'm also giggling over the firestorm of controversy surrounding <a href="http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/saudi-clerics-advocate-adult-breast-feeding/19504280?sms_ss=facebook" rel="nofollow">adult breastfeeding</a> in Islamic countries, and...wau. Just <i>wau</i>, there's a lot of different ways to take that.<br /><br />(And to be fair, without considering the actual consumption angle, I'm sure there are men who would have no problem waving signs that said women were tasty. :D )Emilly Orrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-23354708356147753982010-06-08T06:13:08.344-07:002010-06-08T06:13:08.344-07:00"Hey guys, don't put down women! Women ar..."Hey guys, don't put down women! Women are great! And tasty!"<br /><br />and<br /><br />"Women's rights are important! Let 'em choose: roasted or broiled."<br /><br />Umm, I guess not.Rhianon Jamesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13627163137265856251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-26567789262250135622010-06-07T15:22:43.233-07:002010-06-07T15:22:43.233-07:00Lady Fogwoman,
Near as I can ascertain, having sp...Lady Fogwoman,<br /><br />Near as I can ascertain, having spoken with the Fair's organizers since posting this, they honestly intended to do good work. Where they get the link between fashion and mental illness is two-fold--first, they are firmly in the <i>Fashion Good!</i> camp, and second, they were thinking, get folks together, get them creating, get them inspired, and carry that inspiration out into the world from there.<br /><br />Miss Seerose is carrying the bulk of the costs of this event herself, and she's up to 3/4 of the sim she's on, to try to ensure that people <i>can</i> access the sim. She and her staff also have notecard givers stashed around and about (which, well, mostly don't work with the lag), as well as giving the designers opportunities to insert notecards of personal stories and helpful advice in with their products.<br /><br />Is there a direct connection? No. And it's not a charitable event. But what she's trying to do, while flawed in execution, is nonetheless earnestly meant--support those who have mental illness; convince them they're not alone; and convince them they can still create, they can still put themselves and their works out there, be seen, be appreciated.<br /><br />But I grant you, it's an awfully wide and heavy load for the slendere shoulders of one skybox-bound Fair to carry.Emilly Orrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-27452120818682772742010-06-07T14:37:02.793-07:002010-06-07T14:37:02.793-07:00I am with Rhianon here. I do not really see the co...I am with Rhianon here. I do not really see the connection between a fashion fair and mental illness. If you want to raise awareness of mental illness, do something educational about mental illness - or something controversial. Hold an art exhibit themed to mental illness, do a reading of works by writers who are/were mentally ill.<br />This rather reminds me of years ago during an African famine, when one of the televangelists on TV and his wife were raising money in a mascara dripping telethon to buy teddy bears for the starving children. Someone seems to be missing the point...Aunt Foggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822854807566491775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-43925569072802692672010-06-07T12:07:44.381-07:002010-06-07T12:07:44.381-07:00Miss Jameson,
I think it has a long way to go bef...Miss Jameson,<br /><br />I think it has a long way to go before it becomes actively damaging to its own cause; and I do think things have improved slightly (the acquisition of a second sim to up the parcel's prim count; the removal of the tip jars; the editing of the drop-down menu to state clearly it's not a charity event; the removal of the cocaine mirror "prop") since the start of the Fair.<br /><br />Of course, now my brain's amused at your analogy instead--and is wondering what the response would be if a Dolcett sim threw an event to publicize the struggle for womens' rights. :DEmilly Orrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-39409380480483125562010-06-07T12:05:17.074-07:002010-06-07T12:05:17.074-07:00Mr. Telling,
As you'll note from the occasion...Mr. Telling,<br /><br />As you'll note from the occasional appearances (towards the end of the thread) of my avatar, I was reading along too. And I found Keira's responses to be open, understanding, and hopeful--she seems actually to be <i>learning</i> from the mistakes made during this fair, and she's working already to apply those lessons to her <i>next</i> event, to be held sometime around July, I believe.<br /><br />What I didn't appreciate, unfortunately, were the responses of her friends, which ranged from vague and dodgy (the best responses) to outright hostile and aggressive (everything else). And while I do appreciate fear for a friend, and loyalty <i>to</i> a friend, makes more than a few people behave badly in public (and/or on the net), it still galls to have the impression that things are being asked, and answered, <i>and worked out</i>, only to fall back to the beginning when one of her friends circled into the thread to call us all vipers, spiteful, and stupid. That still doesn't set well, when the majority of the thread-respondents were doing their best to be even-tempered and rational in their questions and responses.Emilly Orrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07245643246821826101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-15005686652809046422010-06-07T10:15:31.276-07:002010-06-07T10:15:31.276-07:00I dislike the attitude that one sees all too often...I dislike the attitude that one sees all too often, that we should excuse most anything if the cause is right. Mental illness is bad, greater awareness of mental illness is good - all else equal. But if I tell you I'm running a dolcett sim to destigmatize mental illness, does that really do the job? Clearly, this fair is a long way from associating good mental health with roasting and eating people, but it's starting to stroll down the same road.Rhianon Jamesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13627163137265856251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2135301473915671680.post-50527324585972475142010-06-07T07:51:38.392-07:002010-06-07T07:51:38.392-07:00Don't ask me why, but I found myself reading t...Don't ask me why, but I found myself reading the SLU discussion of the Black & Blue Fair late last night... I think, probably, for the same reason people watch auto racing: for the wrecks. I'm a stereotypical male who gives not a rodent's posterior about Fashion, but a juicy controversy... I'm all over it.<br /><br />The lead organizer, Keira Seerose, did eventually appear in the thread and, best I could tell, did yeoman (yeowoman?) work to try to explain, apologize and smooth troubled waters. Along the way, she <i>did</i> confirm that this was her group's first event (which seemed painfully obvious to me from the get-go).<br /><br />Somewhere in the back of my head, I'm seeing Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland saying "Let's put on a show!" Is there anyone <i>not</i> familiar with the phenomenon of "clubs" constantly appearing in SL because someone thinks it will be both cool and <i>easy</i> to do -- and those same clubs disappearing by the time the next rent/tier payment is due? I guess, among the fashion-conscious, the same bug will bite about "fairs".<br /><br />The point, no less in SL than in RL, is: before beginning any venture, do your homework! And start with the realization that there is no such thing as "so easy, anyone can do it."Lalo Tellinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07711076861284942835noreply@blogger.com